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I came across a user that has a username consisting only of zero-width whitespace (just 3 U+3164 characters) and I'm not sure if this is ok or not. Obviously the user was able to enter it into the form, which gives me some doubt.

So I just wanted to check here rather than flagging for moderator attention. I couldn't find anything on MSO or MSE that specifically addressed this except for an unanswered 7 year old question.

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    Why is it a problem?
    – rene
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:39
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    Give us a definition of "allowed". "Allowed" as in "by the rules"? I wouldn't imagine that whitespace-only names are offensive or derogatory. Allowed as in "technically permitted"? I feel like that's already answered. Allowed as in "I can't flag this person"? You don't need their name to be able to flag either their comment or their posts. What're you looking for?
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:40
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    @Makoto I've seen a few questions about "bad" usernames – for example ones with Zalgo text – where they weren't blocked by the form, but SO realized they were not a good fit for the site (in that case, due to layout issues.)
    – miken32
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:45
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    @rene it kind of defeats the purpose of having a "display name" if there's nothing displayed...
    – miken32
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:46
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    Looks like that user is my zalgo list: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/446741/… Only one so far.
    – rene
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:48
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    If the link around that display name remains clickable... well, it's just another "creative" user name I guess. Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:48
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    Related Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:49
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    Looks like I still can @-reply them (also still suggested for symbols-only username), and the whitespace is filled and hyperlinked, so there's still not a problem accessing the profile from comment.
    – Andrew T.
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:50
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    @miken, I was thinking more about comments (and other venues like timelines, etc.), but Andrew confirms it works (at least in comments). Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:58
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    I just realized the question mentioned "zero-width", but on my Chrome 87 on Windows 10, it's full-width whitespace, that's why I didn't have any problem clicking it... //cc: @FrédéricHamidi
    – Andrew T.
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 17:59
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    @rene: Your Zalgo lists needs help if it's catching valid Vietnamese names as a sanity check...
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 18:00
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    If it's causing a distraction or hindrance, then it's a valid case to flag for moderator intervention. I won't promise to apply the previously stated policy, but this is clearly not a legitimate user name, so I see no reason why we need to allow it.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 18:07
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    @Makoto oh boy. Did you look at that monster query? Do you wanna hurt me?
    – rene
    Commented Jan 6, 2021 at 18:09
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    Unanswered, but related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/326747/…
    – Daedalus
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 4:17
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    @Clockwork I'm not advocating that SO change their check, because it's not their fault that people are abusing Unicode - most of the names from rene's query are perfectly legitimate. I think it's fine to have the community keep a look-out and bring up such abuse on a case-by-case basis, exactly as done here. We should, however, consider adding a note in the Help Centre that anyone trying to be "clever" with usernames and Unicode may find their account liable to be suspended or banned.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 13:34

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The whole point of having a display name is to facilitate the easy identification of users you're interacting with. If there were no desire for that, the site would make display names entirely optional. The fact that they have not tells me that display names should be made to follow some kind of rule to make them useful.

My thought, for an answer to this "problem" (I am using that word very lightly here) is that we can organize a list of whitespace, zero-width, zalgo characters, etc. A simple check can be done for the number of such characters in the display name. If there are 6 of these things and no other characters, it's a good indication that this is not a particularly helpful display name. If there are 6 of them, but 15 other "regular" characters, then it's likely to be part of a valid display name, or maybe just ornamentation added to one.

Obviously this could be a cat-and-mouse game; what about punctuation, what about subscript characters, yadda yadda. This doesn't need to be perfect though, just good enough to catch out the most confusing usernames at the source. The rest can be left for flagging if needed.

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    H E N R Y the V
    – Scratte
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 0:51
  • I don't think display names are that useful for display. You can still recognize a user by the avatar, or by the whitespace, sort of like that xkcd joke where 11II1I1 is an easily recognizable license plate consisting of 1s and Is. But perhaps the more important use is being able to mention someone in a tag.
    – Muz
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 6:45
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    @Muz I'm thinking about the case where you have several NoNamers commenting on a post. There's no avatar nor reputation to tell who's who in that case.
    – Clockwork
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 7:31
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    This can't be specific to Stack Exchange. Aren't there some standard solutions? Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 18:24
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I maintain the same position I've already expressed in similar answer to the same problem with "zalgo" names: Usernames that consist solely of Zalgo text can't be clicked when associated with a post.

There are almost endless amount of combinations in Unicode that can produce unreadable results. Instead of maintaining an ever-growing blacklist or introducing a restrictive white list, the problem can and should be fixed by carefully designing userlink-area style with relevant defaults like min/max-width/height, so it is always visible and always properly constrained, regardless of whatever name the user chooses for themself.

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    I read a comment on that other answer which mentioned we can't just ban non-latin characters. But, somehow, on Steam, you can have unicode filled nicknames. But when you try to have a blank name, it automatically replaces it with some alt text.
    – Clockwork
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 23:37
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    @Clockwork: Unicode may have many characters, but the standard also contains many auxiliary tables with character attributes and classes. And it is feasible to base rules on these classes, because that's a much smaller set. For instance, Steam probably bans names that are all Unicode class WS (Whitespace).
    – MSalters
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 11:55
  • @MSalters unless it is really tight and restrictive whitelist, I'll find a way to build an unreadable text under any rules. If your goal is to make "always visible clickable username box", then just do JUST THAT - get CSS and make an "always visible clickable username box" instead of fiddling with something else - i.e. a text within. Commented Feb 1, 2021 at 17:01
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A few quick thoughts concerning rene's comment "why is it a problem".

The main question from a front-end perspective is whether it creates confusion or problems for other users, like whitespace-only file names cause in *nix (it's not clear that there is a file and it interacts badly with the shell command processing).

Most user interaction with SE is through the web site with graphic rendering. Possible issues that come to mind there:

  • You can not view the user profile because the whitespace-only user name is not a recognizable click target. The click may even be hard or impossible for zero-width names. (I just saw that such an issue appears with empty answers, see https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/359321/261639. Conceivable with user names in certain contexts as well.) But you can always click on the logo so that there is always a significant surface to click on.

  • You cannot distinguish between different whitespace-only names. That is perhaps mildly confusing. But generally user names are not unique anyway (which I, by the way, find mightily confusing and a design flaw, not least because I have the common German name Peter Schneider). User names are simply not first class data here.

  • It is confusing as such (where is the user name? what is this? etc.) Given the relatively clear and consistent layout of posts and the mandatory presence of a user icon I think the degree of confusion is not terrible and more than compensated for by the realization that it is a little smart prank. This assessment is partly based on the assumption that the SE audience is above-average familiar with computer user interfaces.

So I don't think it's terrible.

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    What do you mean by "*nix"? The unix based operating systems?
    – Clockwork
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 19:51
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    Why do you think a user from cooking.stackexchange.com would have "above-average" familiarity with obscure Unicode characters?
    – miken32
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 20:03
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    @miken32 Because they discuss cooking ... on an online gamefied discussion board? Something my mother and my father wouldn't do. Without those indigerati the SE population is above average computer savvy. Plus: The top SE substacks are stackoverflow and mathematics, not cooking and christianity, leading to a corresponding selection bias. Oh: I didn't mean familiarity with Korean Unicode codepoints -- I didn't know anything about them before today. I meant general familiarity with computers so that you recognize when a mouse pointer changes shape etc. Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 22:55
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    @Clockwork Yes. Or, more precise, Unix (TM) like -- some copyright holders would mind if you based your OS on Unix (TM). See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like. Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 22:59
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    You've given workarounds for the usability problems. Can you give some explanation as to the advantages?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 7, 2021 at 23:26
  • Are your mother and father not on Facebook? Mine are. I know SO is the elephant in the room here, but SE is a very broad network of sites.
    – miken32
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 4:09
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    @miken32 I would suggest that use of Facebook and use of StackExchange would be inversely correlated, if anything. The statement that StackExchange users (regardless of "home site") are typically more tech-savvy than the average human seems remarkably non-controversial to me.
    – Sellyme
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 4:15
  • @Sellyme based on number of users, sure – because the techy sites have such overwhelming user numbers. My point is that they aren't the only sites in the network and we shouldn't forget that. The argument I was pushing back on is that you have to have some kind of "computer savvy" to effectively use Cooking or ELL. It's just a web site, like Facebook.
    – miken32
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 4:20
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    @miken32 My mother in law is, my own parents aren't. But managing facebook on an iphone is not the epitome of computer savviness. Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 8:44
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    @CodyGray Well, it's a nice hack for one, probably the main "advantage". But I suppose the main reason to actively forbid something which is by default fine with the site's technical infrastructure is that it has prohibitive usability or other technical disadvantages. (I only discussed frontend problems -- are there any backend problems?). Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 8:50
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    @CodyGray By the way, why did you delete the much-upvoted whitespace-only post? I thought it was really funny. It actually is also an answer because it shows both the prank and its disadvantages (you can't read anything, you are a bit puzzled for a second). Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 8:54
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    Because it didn't answer the question. The bug it was attempting to report was already posted as a separate question.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 8, 2021 at 8:55

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