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I flagged a duplicate, not helpful answer with just source code (rated -6 already) and another one which had (in my mind) nothing at all to do with a question.

Curiously, both flags got declined with the reason "declined - there are already processes which do this automatically". I accept that, but I would love to have more information on that, it would be great if the reasons for a flag would be clickable and linked to a definition.

For the particular case, it got even more interesting: I checked the user who reviewed the flags and it turns out to be the same one. Plus one with an interestingly low reputation of 1, being member for just five months, and no further description. I would understand that it would be a bot, but even then, I would love to have an easy ways to have a veto or at least ask for another review.

So what do I do now? Can someone have a look into those particular flags? And what about my suggestions about the flagging process?

EDIT: All I am asking for is more transparency for the standard user concerning the flagging process. Somebody sees a very strong need to flag, a single person (or bot) does not see that need, issue closed. I believe this process can be improved, e.g. by allow the initial user to veto, by asking another reviewer or two (maybe of same reputation range).

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    What kind of flags did you raise? What did you want should happen to the answers and why did that need to happen to them? How can we review anything if you don't provide infomation about which posts you flagged? Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:03
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    How is that a feature-request? Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:04
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    A comment and a downvote mean two different things. Why should I comment if I mean 'this question isn't useful'?
    – Patrice
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:06
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    Also: we can't see what you flag. Only diamond mods can. If you want to get the community's help, we'll need more details: what kind of flags were they? (I guess custom flags from your question) what was the text you put in the flags? On which posts were they?
    – Patrice
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:08
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    Sure. If that's how you want to see it. I can't help you change your view there. But honestly, for a better stack experience (be it main or meta) I suggest taking downvotes differently. They aren't personal, they aren't against you, they don't mean anything about how people think about you. I know it's human nature to see it this way, but that's just self-destructive in a place like Stack...
    – Patrice
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:10
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    We've told you what we want you to change about your question in these comments. If you choose not to provide it then you'll probably get downvotes as the question is not answerable in its current form. Downvotes are for other readers, not you. Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:10
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    Just to be clear, that declination reason was handwritten by the moderator who handled the flag. It is not a standardized value that could automatically come with a link.
    – jscs
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 17:14
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    Some of the comments are derailing to a different subject than the one defined in the question. It might be worth looking for other questions (or ask a new one) in Meta for that side issue.
    – E_net4
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 18:35
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    I know what the vast majority of people here consider to to be “toxic”, and it ain’t the voting...
    – Clive
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 18:44
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    All my votes are fair @peterh
    – rene
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 18:51
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    You flagged a downvoted and closed question with a custom flag: The negative shore already indicates it. There is not much hope that this becomes a valid question, so I suggest to delete it altogether. which was declined with there are already processes which do this automatically. The flag is telling that your flag was redundant, please don’t ask moderators to do work that automated processes can take care of.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:45
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    The next declined flag in your history was a NAA flag on an answer, which was a normal attempt at answering. It was declined with the standard flag decline reason: flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer. See When to flag an answer as "not an answer"? for details on when the NAA flag is appropriate
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:49
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    Of course, downvotes on meta must mean that meta is toxic. It couldn't possibly mean that the users voting think that the question shows a lack of research effort (the premise of the question being that they literally do not want to do any research whatsoever), nor could it be that they think that the question or the feature proposed are not useful. Don't worry, it has nothing to do with the reasoning provided in the downvote tooltip, it's just the meta crowd being toxic. smh.
    – user4639281
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 23:29
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    @peterh unlikely, yes. But here I am, down voting in seconds.
    – rene
    Commented Mar 17, 2019 at 9:14
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    It seems to me this discussion has nothing to do with the actual question here. Commented Mar 17, 2019 at 13:47

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I flagged a duplicate, not helpful answer with just source code (rated -6 already) and another one which had (in my mind) nothing at all to do with a question.

Those are both the wrong reasons to flag an answer. If an answer can be understood and it attempts to answer a question (not even the question) but adds no value for future visitors such answers should be down voted.

If you get a custom response from a moderator reading there are already processes which do this automatically then you have been lucky as they spend 10 seconds extra on your flag instead of declining it with a stock reason.

Your flag (assuming you use one of the standard flags) might trigger a review-task that gets reviewed by users with access to the review queues. If the review outcome is different from what you intended, your flag ends up not being helpful. In these case you can visit a posts timeline to find the reviews it has been part of.

The result of the reviews of your suggested edits can be found in your profile.

it would be great if the reasons for a flag would be clickable and linked to a definition.

There way too many options to link every declined flag to a ready made definition. Meta and the Help centre has already plenty of feedback, background and guidance on flagging and if you can't find anything coming close to what describes your case, make sure to head over to MSE.

I would love to have an easy ways to have a veto or at least ask for another review.

No, let's not have features that enable too many of us being able to continue to hammer a single post until it is in the state you want it in. We have enough roll-back edit wars and re-open/close hammer wars already. We're not going to be bogged down by allowing everyone here to be that someone is wrong on the internet type of person.

The flagging process is fine as it is, with its current quirks. It only needs careful flaggers and foremost frivolous (down) voters.

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  • I did not call a moderator a bot, but it is true that there might be moderators using scripts to flag. My point: I am fine with getting my flags denied by bots or humans, but I still would love to quickly understand why, hopefully without consulting meta.
    – B--rian
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 19:57
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    You won't learn a thing about declined flags if you rule out meta. We have a faq for a reason.
    – rene
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:02
  • My suggestion is to have an alternative, quick way to learn about her/his flagging reasons, other than meta. Not everybody likes to spend loads of time on meta, but exactly these low-frequency posters might add a great value to SO. I know so many amazing, knowledgeable programmers who could contribute, but decided not to because of the flagging and downvoting. My suggestion might help to keep these low-frequency high-value contributers motivated, and one way of doing so is to make the flag-reason more transparent.
    – B--rian
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:16
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    @B--rian "without consulting meta" the primary source of information regarding flagging and the mechanics and policies around flagging is meta. This is like saying "I'd love to learn how to write software by only reading obfuscated code, without ever opening a book or reading documentation of any sort"
    – user4639281
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:16
  • @Tiny Giant. I understand your point, but my point is a different one, see my comment above. My idea is defining flag-denial reasons in a concise, accessible way, as addition to and maybe teaser for meta.
    – B--rian
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:20
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    There are 2000 flags handled per day by moderators, adding extra time to their workload is not going to help the quality of the posts, specially if it is only to guide an occasional mis-flagger that should be able to gather info easily by other means. You're trying to optimize the wrong end of the flag process
    – rene
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:28
  • @rene Very insightful information I was not aware of, but please also see my concern - of loosing not acquiring new community members.
    – B--rian
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:40
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    I don't see the connection between declined flag reasons and community growth. Not everything that goes wrong here needs a spin on welcoming and sustained growth. I only care about the quality of the content and the process govern that quality boost. The rest doesn't matter.
    – rene
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 20:44
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    @B--rian not to sound dismissive, but saying 'they want to help and participate in the community but don't want to go on meta for feedback' is a bit like saying 'well they want to be part of the conmunity, except.... Not really'
    – Patrice
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 21:36
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You have no way to know, who evaluated your flag. It can happen for a "very low quality" or "not an answer" flag, but it is not easy - you have to check the reviewers of that day in the VLQ queue, and then check their activity history on their user page. However, the effect of such evaluations can't result a textual answer with the decline.

If you get a textual answer, it should have been a diamond moderator. Ordinary mortals have no way to know, which one did it. Sometimes, knowing the sites and the mods, we can estimate it from their wordings, or if you get some surprisingly detailed reasoning after a mod election, you can suspect that it might have been a newly elected mod. However, this all is not important.

In general, you are not expected to create only accepted flags. You don't know and can't know everything on which a mod decides. What is expected, to act in good faith and know the rules. If you get many declined flags, you might get a flag ban (it happens very rarely), but even that is not a reason to stop flagging from the moment that you can do it again. It is a reason to check your flag history and think about, why did you collect so many declines. Note also, being on flag ban doesn't get away any privilege from you and it is not visible for anybody (maybe except the mods).

If one really wants, can misuse this leniency (for example, by flooding the mods with crap flags), obviously you shouldn't do ever any similar, but that is all.

So: don't worry, don't stop flagging, don't worry on induvidual declines, and don't stop writing good posts and suggest good initatives on the meta site.

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    If someone doesnt understand why their flag was declined they should most definitely attempt to find more information. Whether that be searching for questions about similar declines on meta, or asking a meta question if they still don't understand. Saying that they should just not worry about it is very bad advice in my opinion.
    – user4639281
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 18:23
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    @TinyGiant This is not on induvidual declines, but if there is also a tendency. What I explained: "It is a reason to check your flag history and think about, why did you collect so many declines."
    – peterh
    Commented Mar 16, 2019 at 18:42

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