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I flagged a question as low quality a while ago. Today I was browsing through my flags and noticed it was declined by a moderator. After reviewing it again I still believe this is a low quality question for a couple of reasons:

  1. The user has been a member for 6 years and 5 months, so the likelihood that there's no effort being put in and they're simply looking for a quick answer is quite high; this isn't a new user.

  2. There was no code provided and the question doesn't seem to pivot towards there being code that I could easily ask to see.

  3. It's got a low word count and what is written within these words is confusing/misleading, specifically 'I am getting codes all with node support' and 'Web socket is working localhost. but i do not know how to run server file in live server.' At the time of reading this, I was considering an edit, but I didn't think there was a simple route to improving the question so it was actually answerable, so I flagged it.

Could you help me to understand where my logic here went wrong and this wasn't a low quality question?

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  • Are you sure that flag is declined? Not disputed? It sat in two queues: stackoverflow.com/review/close/19608448 and stackoverflow.com/review/triage/19607310
    – rene
    Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 13:52
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    Potentially relevant: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/265573/1233251
    – E_net4
    Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 13:53
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    I would not qualify that post as low quality to be honest. Flag for closure as unclear / too broad. Low quality works for gibbersh, not for bad english grammar posts
    – rene
    Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 13:54
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    @rene I mean there might be a question in that post, it's just super hard to make out, I think it would be classified as gibberish in my parse :/ I've flagged for closure, but it urks me that the flag is 'declined' as it makes it feel like you were completely wrong.
    – li x
    Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 13:56
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    Moderators do not want to delete Q+A like that by themselves, they consider it to be a community duty. That rarely comes to a good end, the VLQ review queue doesn't have volunteers. You don't have enough rep to vote to close yet, the automatic cleanup (aka roomba) will take care of it eventually. Favor a downvote to help it make up its mind about it. Looks like you already did today, you were the first to vote. Which is why the roomba didn't do it yet. DVs are now the best tool to get rid of crap. Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 14:07
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    What the site considers gibberish looks like this: "asl;dl;dsl;b as;slwo b a;;;a;a sl b alsklddkd rrrrrrrr.....rrrrr!" It's not enough for it to not be understandable, it has to be outright nonsense.
    – BSMP
    Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 16:02
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    Yeah, I agree with the other comments, I think unclear is a better fit than VLQ. Unclear is like, "I can tell you're trying to ask something, but I can't tell what it is and I don't think anyone else will be able to either", and VLQ is more like "It looks like you accidentally posted this while banging your head against the keyboard." Commented Oct 4, 2018 at 16:14
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    The official purpose of the "very low quality" flag is far more narrow than just posts whose quality is very low. It's one of the many, many ways in which using this site is confusing. Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 6:26
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    Possible duplicate of Off-topic flag declined because of strange reason
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 6:30
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    We've all been there (well, at least some of us). The question is not low quality, it's just too broad (waaay too broad).
    – Cristik
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 6:44
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    @ArchieBaer Yes, the question is now deleted.
    – Petr R.
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 7:05
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    Did you not get the memo? We accept any old garbage these days. The VLQ flag is completely misleading these days, in my opinion that question is very poor quality wise and should be burned with fire. You are right to feel aggrieved, in the end I give up flagging dog piles as VLQ and switched to downvoting and using "Unclear" or "Too Broad" instead.
    – user692942
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 7:19
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    The VLQ flag is pretty much useless. You can use it on link only answers if you want (but be aware you'll be leaving behind a auto-downvote even if the flag is marked helpful due to the post being edited/fixed). But you can also go NAA there (doesn't leave the downvote and doesn't get (in-)validated by edits, except from review). Total gibberish can be nuked with R/A. I'd suggest removing the flag from the UI or give it a proper meaning, but that might take 6-8.
    – Baum mit Augen Mod
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 11:55
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    @HansPassant The VLQ queue is actually doing decently well reviewer wise, but questions don't end up there to begin with. It only handles VLQ and NAA flags on answers.
    – Baum mit Augen Mod
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 12:03
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    @gnat Having read a few comments, might be a better dupe of this then
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Oct 5, 2018 at 12:24

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There's a couple of things at play here, one of which isn't all that obvious

  1. Don't use VLQ for questions unless it's blatantly obvious junk. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't use VLQ for questions at all myself. As Shog9 noted

    VLQ flags on questions that should be closed just create unnecessary overhead

    It's not obvious, but VLQ is mod-heavy on reviews. Raising one is almost like raising a mod flag (but not quite). This isn't obvious unless you hang around Meta or mods, tho. Your chances of a decline of a VLQ flag on a question are much higher than they would be on an answer.

  2. Raise flags for closure, even if you don't have Close privileges yet. One of SO's best-kept secrets (don't tell Tim Post I told you about this) is that if you find a question that's bad, flagging for closure is always preferred. I mean, if you're in the hilariously misnamed Help and Improvement (where people expect you to edit crap into good questions) I always open the question and vote to close instead of clicking the VLQ link (which just keeps churning it back and forth). What your decline should tell you (but doesn't because it's a secret) is that mods don't generally close questions when the community can do that directly.

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