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Stage 2 completed: The initial phase of the burndown was completed on 2014-03-03 10:48:49; the second phase completed on 2014-03-08 at 19:41. Detailed statistics on how these played out can be found on Phase 1 results and Phase 2 results.

There remains much work to be done! You can find reasonably up-to-date tag filters here. We'll be examining the results of the initial burndown to optimize the system for faster, easier reviews in the near future. For details on overall progress, see: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/208311/regarding-the-stack-overflow-close-review-queue

So, this happened: Fuzzy the number of questions in the close review queue, a dopamine for the shutterers

Now, only questions with at least 4 votes or flags or at least one Do Not Close review are listed in the close review queue. If you're thinking, "that's crazy!" THEN YOU'RE RIGHT! This dramatically reduces the utility of the queue. But, we've had one or two complaints about the size of the backlog, so it's time we took care of it.

So let's take care of it!

Kill it with fire Kill it with MOAR fire!

Most of the questions listed now are either really terrible or perfectly fine, so they're pretty easy to review:

  • Is it a duplicate? click Close
  • Looks like crap? click Close
  • Doesn't look like crap? click Leave Open
  • Can't make up your mind? click Skip

If everyone reading this did a dozen reviews, we'd have the queue empty in a day... but since a fair number of you probably can't review posts in the close queue, it'll take a bit longer. Hopefully not too much longer...

If you can't help - or just don't want to - that's cool; this backlog has been almost three years in the making; it's not so crucial that we deal with it now.

If you can help and want to help, then you might want to start here - it's a list of the top 250 tags according to how many review items are associated with them, and a link directly to a filtered review queue. Pick a tag you know something about, and see how long it takes you to get to...

There are no items for you to review, matching the filter

The faster we get through this, the faster we get to go back to the non-crazy (or at least, slightly less-fuzzy) close queue.

View our progress so far here!

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    Can you please include a gif of a woman blasting fire too? It's not all males on SO :p
    – Stilly.stack
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:00
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    "one or two complaints" - 112 results. Not incorrect - it's all ones and twos. :)
    – Mysticial
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:09
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    Couldn't you lower the rep threshold? At least temporarily? The community thinks it's a problem, and I want to help. Only got 1,343 rep, tho. Maybe for us low-reps, we can only see some subset of the queue that is more obvious than the rest.
    – bjb568
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:19
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    @bjb568 Don't worry, the close queue will still have thousands of questions in it when you get to 3k rep.
    – Stilly.stack
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:20
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    One definite thing is that this would encourage robo-like reviewing.
    – devnull
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:24
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    I will be monitoring for robots, @dev.
    – Shog9
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:25
  • 72
    @LowerClassOverflowian, we now have gender parity in flame throwing.
    – Jaydles Staff
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:43
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    Maybe we really need to up the number of close vote reviews someone can do (based on rep and/or audit pass rate). I just reached my 40 limit in ~20 minutes.
    – Aaron Bertrand Staff
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:46
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    I think all events on StackOverflow should be "until crispy"! :-D
    – gen_Eric
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 4:51
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    There should be button like "No effort taken", as many questions could be simply resolved by searching SO or Google or by reading docs.
    – PeterM
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 7:23
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    Lower the rep requirement to 2k and i'll help :) Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 7:25
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    @PeterM There is. It's that arrow-shaped button just below the question score. But that consideration has no direct bearing on whether to close — often it means closing as a duplicate but you still need to locate the duplicate (or confirm the duplicate that someone else found). Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 13:45
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    This is depressing me... I clicked on my favorite tag and so far of the first 10 reviews, I've voted to leave them all open. I take my time when reviewing, and this is making me feel that the people who add stuff to the close vote queue are disappointingly stupid. All they're doing it wasting my time.
    – Rachel
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 14:52
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    @Rachel - One thing I noticed is that quite a few of the questions with 4 close votes were for the old close reasons. e.g. "minimal understanding". Now those reasons are gone from the close dialogue but the previously cast votes still remain. Is that what you are seeing? Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 15:21
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    I've found the recent push to "fix" the queue really damaging. Folks are flagging questions to be closed without any idea as to what is a good question, and what isn't. Very often now I see questions closed with no real cause. I think that there are too many folks with these abilities on the site, and it has gotten out of control. Maybe this is actually why the queue is so big... so many people are voting just because they can. What a mess this has become, and the "fix" doesn't seem to be helping content quality any.
    – Brad
    Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 4:44

11 Answers 11

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Questions in the close review queue by tag (top 250 tags)

The number next to the tag indicates how many tasks remain in the queue. Each task may require one or more Close or Do Not Close reviews before it is removed.

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    How in the hell is android so high on the list? I turn my back for a couple of days...
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:10
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    Sorry, Mr. @BilltheLizard, I haven't been reviewing lately like I had been. Anyways, 40 down. 20 hours to go before another 40 bite the dust.
    – codeMagic
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 3:59
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    What's &burn=1 meant to mean in the URL? Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 4:49
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    Nothing at all, @Qantas - that's just there in case I need it later.
    – Shog9
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 4:51
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    What happens to questions I vote to leave open.
    – gideon
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 5:56
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    Go JavaScript!!
    – RUJordan
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 6:08
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    @chris really ? Even if it had 3 close votes? I saw a question with answers that was probably misunderstood when posted. And then after 3 close votes it turned out to be a good post. So I voted leave open. So it should be open ?
    – gideon
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 7:21
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    If these links are provided by default, close queue wont have grown so huge
    – Satpal
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 8:12
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    @Shog9 the link for C# does not work. It always filters to c. Also changing it manually to `filter-tags=c%23&burn=1' seems not to apply filter
    – Jehof
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 8:34
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    the link for C# does not work. it works the first time, but when you move to the next one, it goes to c and php sometimes...
    – Bolu
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 9:40
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    @Shog9 Another vote for the broken C# queue: when I click the link I get a C# question, but when I cast my vote I'm given a C question.
    – Albireo
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 11:06
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    FYI people: if you're given a question that doesn't have a tag you filter on, it's probably an audit.
    – hichris123
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 11:50
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    Is there a way to get a dynamic version of this list showing up to date numbers?
    – magnattic
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 13:51
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    I'll try to keep it updated a bit more often while I'm awake, @atticae
    – Shog9
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 17:18
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    @BilltheLizard android is no more...
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 5:50
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Final results: initial burndown

Here are the statistics for reviews done as part of the burn-down campaign (reviews between 2014-02-28 02:41:26 and 2014-03-03 10:48:49):

Initial state of the tasks reviewed

  • 15,796 tasks
  • 5,263 tasks with 4 close votes (0 or more Do Not Close reviews)
  • 1,126 tasks with 2 Do Not Close reviews (1 or more votes or flags)
  • 843 tasks with 1 flag and 1 DNC review
  • 3,121 tasks with 1 vote and 1 DNC review

Outcome

  • 34,211 reviews completed
  • 15,395 tasks completed
  • 10,507 tasks completed by closing the question
  • 4,646 tasks completed by not closing the question
  • 242 tasks completed by editing the question

Of tasks with 4 close votes

 Completed: Close Completed: DoNotClose Completed: Edit 
 ---------------- --------------------- --------------- 
 4900             135                   14              

Of tasks with 2 Do Not Close reviews

Completed: Close Completed: DoNotClose Completed: Edit
---------------- --------------------- ---------------
287              818                   11             

Of tasks with 1 flag and 1 DNC review

Completed: Close Completed: DoNotClose Completed: Edit 
---------------- --------------------- --------------- 
284              522                   21              

Of tasks with 1 vote and 1 DNC review

Completed: Close Completed: DoNotClose Completed: Edit
---------------- --------------------- ---------------
1233             1776                  68             

Reviews by tag (top 30 tags)

Name          Reviews 
------------- ------- 
c#            2679    
javascript    2472    
php           2350    
java          2309    
python        2150    
ruby          1891    
sql           1875    
c             1688    
c++           1516    
html          1484    
jquery        1289    
css           1229    
mysql         1130    
regex         1070    
ios           1059    
android       1025    
ruby-on-rails 1006    
asp.net       823     
sql-server    753     
objective-c   741     
linux         675     
excel         661     
arrays        639     
oracle        618     
xml           594     
.net          561     
algorithm     519     
node.js       503     
matlab        466     
database      454     

People

1,238 different users participated during the burndown, completing at least one review and averaging 27 reviews per reviewer. 1,402 users visited the queue via links from the tag filters listed here, with 444 performing at least one review and completed a total of 9,026 reviews while filtering by a specific tag.

Aftermath

The burndown campaign resulted in a massive spike in reviews performed and users involved. With the initial campaign (and surrounding promotion) completed, activity has declined but so far remains above what was normal:

Reviews per day:

Tasks completed per day:

Active reviewers per day:

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    We're seeing the impact of this in the moderator flags queue. The number of "multiple closed questions from this user" flags has shot up overnight.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 17:13
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    This is fantastic. I have barely used the CV queue for the last few weeks (after having done over 3k total reviews in that queue since it's been around). But this temporary change, and the really encouraging update on the numbers, have really put the wind back in my sails, as far as this queue goes. Thanks for taking action - and for keeping us in the loop on our progress! Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 17:16
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    This really shows that the community wants to clean up, all we need is some motivational boost. An achievable goal and visible progress through reports like this will do exactly that. Keep it going!
    – magnattic
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 18:17
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    I'm waiting for the surge of terror when you lower the threshold and it spikes back up to 50K again.
    – Troyen
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 19:35
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    Yeah, well... It'll be a much less crufty 50K at least, @Troyen.
    – Shog9
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 19:36
  • For perspective, how many tasks would have been queued yesterday under the non-fuzzy queue - to compare against the number of reviews that were done?
    – Troyen
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 19:39
  • About 1800, @Troyen.
    – Shog9
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 19:41
  • Could you please make the Top-10-diagram proportional to the reviews per day?
    – Bergi
    Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 15:19
  • It's fun to see that the last 2 days, there were less close votes and more DoNotClose votes. Seems like people pay more attention during this event.
    – Wouter J
    Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 21:37
  • @WouterJ: you sure? Could be just a few robo-reviewers skewing the results (more for "leave open" than "close")... Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 23:42
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    It's bizarre, but i see way more big groups of 5-second reviews ending in closure than in DNC, @qant. (It should go without saying, but if you do 40 reviews in 5 minutes I'm going to be looking really hard at your account)
    – Shog9
    Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 23:56
  • @Shog9, how many of current review tasks have a lot of "skips"? E.g. are they less claer cut then is often the case? There seems a to be a lot of quesions I would have closed as "not clear", but that have an answer acepted from the questioner, so someone must have been able to do mind reading. Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 14:17
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    @Shog9 out of curiosity, how many new questions have attracted close votes but have not yet been added to the queue since they don't have 4 votes? It seems we are obviously making a dent, but I'm curious how many new posts are not getting enough attention from close voters Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 17:15
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    There've been 4,862 questions that've attracted their first close vote or flag since this change was made, and an additional 874 that've attracted 4 votes/flags and made it into the queue, @psubsee2003. Obviously we're more than breaking even here, but this still isn't sustainable IMHO.
    – Shog9
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 17:24
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    @Shog9 - frankly, I wasn't even aware of ability to filter by tag. I just blasted through 100% of perl part of the backlog thanks to your prior answer with per-tag links - thanks!
    – DVK
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 1:45
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Never thought that I'll ever see it

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    enjoy while it lasts
    – m0sa
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 10:59
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    A big day in SO !! Feeling good :)
    – Rikesh
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04
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    @m0sa Nope, back to fire again i.sstatic.net/6X5GD.jpg
    – Praveen
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 12:12
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    just keep the pace up
    – m0sa
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 12:37
  • 7k. It's the smallest it has been in the last 7 days. anybody got statistics?
    – ItamarG3
    Commented Jun 27, 2017 at 7:12
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Stage 2 completed

0 need review

Outcome

With the bulk of the reviews that can be completed by a handful of reviewers gone, stats are starting to go back to normal:

Reviews Completed 
---------------- 
39153            

TasksCompleted Close DoNotClose Edit 
-------------- ----- ---------- ---- 
17019          15483 1323       213  

Reviews per day:

Tasks completed per day:

Active reviewers per day:

Stage 3:

30.2K items to review

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  • What's the total unfuzzy number left to do? Commented Mar 8, 2014 at 19:43
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    Somewhere around 100K, @Martin.
    – Shog9
    Commented Mar 8, 2014 at 19:44
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    Thanks. And what was it at the start of the fuzzying process? Have significant inroads been made? Commented Mar 8, 2014 at 19:52
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    @Shog9 when you provide more detail, it would be nice to know how many of the 100K are less than 10 days old (meaning how many have we added since the fuzzying process started. Commented Mar 8, 2014 at 22:53
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    @Shog9 any chance of an update with another week gone. Is the total number still dropping?
    – Tim B
    Commented Mar 14, 2014 at 10:20
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A couple of months back a small group of users decided to get organized to attack the Close Vote Queue as a group effort. Since then we have weekly meetups of an hour where we burn through the close vote queue.

As this now has become a real community effort you're welcome to join the regulars in the SO Close Vote reviewers chat room. You can just leave a message about what you've found, how it went or whine a little about the <cough>high</cough> quality of the questions.

Don't let it become a huge pile once more with only a couple of users handling that queue. By keeping in touch you get the feeling you're not struggling on your own.

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  • I do hope that room addresses Reopening too... Closing is only one side of Close Vote Queue :)
    – Rachel
    Commented Mar 4, 2014 at 14:25
  • @Rachel we are very flexible, if we stumble across gems that need to stay open we're happy to deliver that service as well :-)
    – rene
    Commented Mar 4, 2014 at 14:33
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For users with >10k reputation, I also recommend to go to:

https://stackoverflow.com/tools?tab=close&daterange=

Most votes > "sort by close reason"

Over there it shows the questions that are about to be closed because they just need one extra vote.

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I commented but got rid of that comment and thought to push this as an answer, that showing the questions with 4 close votes is cool though it's hazardous at the same time...

Most of the time users review blindly, to gain badges, yes, I do keep a constant check on random profiles and they just close vote the questions blindly. It often happens (Not in the review que) but say a user asked a question, that Game name X is not supported in my computer, what should I do?

In the above case, one user close votes as general computing hardware and software and others just go along with the blue box..

So coming to the point, last vote does matter, yes, obviously if the post has got a score of 4 close votes, the question must be bad for sure, but users don't see if the question is then edited, so I shouldn't cast a close vote, so showing only the 4s will instantly closevote a question which I feel is bad as posts don't reopen that quickly.


Coming to the second part of this, questions with 3 or 2 close votes won't be shown in the que, result? They will start losing vote each week, resulting in more amount of crap questions on the website.


Now comes my suggestion to solve this in a different way...

I wanted to throw a question few days back, which suggested to chop down the close vote per question limit, so instead of 5 it should be 3[1], which would suffice.

This way we don't have show posts which have 4 close votes, also, questions will be closed instantly most of the time because they generally end up with 2-3 close votes.

Not only this, to help this make more concise, we can show the questions related to the tags users participate, say top 10 tags (Excluding synonyms) ...

If that's less than say 50-100 (Which I don't think so), then we can show the questions related to other tags as well... This will not only make the close voting faster, but users having the knowledge of the respective field can judge the questions well and then decide to close or skip compared to the users who can't and vote blindly (Yeah, we have a skip button but they don't use it) as they are not so knowledgeable in that field.


1. If you think that's too less to decide whether the question should be closed voted or not, than the privileges of 3000 Reputation CAN BE considered increasing to 5000, as hardly few care, rest are hungry for review badges

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    After implementation of your suggestion which is 3 close votes suffice, after few days a new idea comes with 1 close vote is suffice where a mad guy can close any question for no reason. Just crazy :) Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 12:06
  • Now if it was 3 reviews that all siad close, with no reviews saying "leave open" Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 17:53
  • @sᴜʀᴇsʜᴀᴛᴛᴀ No one said 1 close vote, won't make sense, that's why we have mods...
    – Mr. Alien
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 17:54
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    I don't understand your example. The question you posted should be closed as "general computing hardware and software" so what makes you think that people closing it that way are doing so blindly? Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 1:14
  • @HarryJohnston no, what I meant was even questions which are not fit for superuser are sometimes closed as, the question should be asked on super user, in the example, which was real infact, because I read the question few days back, op asked two games aren't supported, it should be closed as totally off topic, was not meant to be asked on superuser as well, but because one user closed with that reason, other users will see the blue count icon and will go ahead and close with the same reason without really thinking that its not meant for superuser as well
    – Mr. Alien
    Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 4:06
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    I don't think it's sensible for people on Stack Overflow to be trying to decide whether a question is appropriate for another forum or not. Now that close votes no longer cause automatic migration, I think closing as off-topic is appropriate, even if the same question might nonetheless have been closed for another reason if it had been posted in the correct forum. Note that the description just says "may be able to get help on super user", it isn't a promise. :-) But perhaps this should be more broadly discussed as a separate meta-question? Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 10:18
  • The important point as applies to this meta-question is that people (me for one) are voting questions of that sort as "general computing hardware and software" not because someone else already voted that way, but because we think that's the right vote. We might be wrong, but we're not just following the leader. Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 10:20
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    That seems dangerous to allow 3 votes to close. At least on Android we have a lot of really good, valid questions being close-voted by C# ppl and other "experts". I do not believe that helps the community, for someone with little knowledge of an area to be given so much power to decide what is a good question. Dropping to 3 means the close queue goes down, but not really for the right reasons. Commented Mar 1, 2014 at 11:39
  • @RichardLeMesurier Than it's what I said Blind Voting, don't vote if you are not aware of that field, thus I suggested that relevant tag posts should be shown in the review que, also, I specified that we can increase the reputation limit of casting votes ...
    – Mr. Alien
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 18:37
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    @MartinSmith Thanks for pointing that out, will revert back
    – Mr. Alien
    Commented Mar 3, 2014 at 14:04
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    "I don't agree with this person's vote." != "This is blind voting."
    – Louis
    Commented Mar 6, 2014 at 12:30
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Might be an illusion, but thrilling nevertheless. Thanks to everyone for your ideas and effort, regardless of the real size of the queue.

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If the site operates on reputation and has determined that folks with a certain amount of it can cast close votes and the reputation is a signifier of the person's "trust" on the site, why not just purge all the posts with whatever threshold you determine, 4 - 5 whatever. Isn't that essentially what this is anyway? Just say, hey, these have x many votes, the queue has grown to a ridiculous size, so just delete them.

The problem with this call to action post is - it's likely misleading. My cup may be 1/2 full but the more time I spend on the site, the more it's clear there's too much user freedom (generally never my view) for the rep amount. I can only imagine the number of posts closed since this change that have been only to participate and go on a closing spree. Why not create another badge - "Burner - participated in the great burn of the close queue". I doubt there's a whole lot of consideration going into it. So why go through the theatrics? The queue's apparently been an issue for a while, and many of these posts have been laying there a long time. Does it really take a meta post for people to care about it's monstrous size?

Reputation does not imply equality. There are a great number of even tempered and helpful high-reputation users, there are also a lot of people with just enough rep to be dangerous. I can attest by the inconsistencies of the suggested edit queue that some users need to get on the same page. A user moderated site should not imply chaos.

Here's my simple plan:

First, raise the rep on close votes and their reviews. That alone will reduce the size going forward and if it's raised high enough it will likely improve the validity of the post's presence in the queue and theoretically get the required votes quicker.

Next, it's fairly obvious users like voting to close while the post is fresh, but they have little love for the queue. Well, force them to participate in the queue. If you want to cast a close vote on a "fresh" post (time table to be determined) then you'll have to handle one of these posts that are in need of review. That's a 2 for 1 special.

Finally, implement a dynamic system based on reputation. How many 20 or 50k users equal a moderator. In other words, if Jon Skeet votes to close your C# post, let it be closed then. Just kidding on that, but you get the point. This would amount to a post with only votes coming from minimum rep users to require the full threshold, while another may only need two or three from very well respected users.

I know it's not perfect but something should be done to actually change the system, not temporarily finagle it as a means to an end.

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    Uh... raise the rep on close votes and their reviews = more crap staying on the site... all it does is make it look as if there isn't as many bad posts that need to be closed... but there still would be.
    – hichris123
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 19:37
  • @hichris123: I don't share your view, but what's your alternative - lower it so many more posts that shouldn't be closed do get closed. It's not as if every vote is a valid one.
    – BobbyDigital
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 19:40
  • Meh, true, however do you really think raising the rep limit makes less good posts get closed? I think that would just make less bad stuff get closed, and more bad stuff stay open, personally. And we do have Reopen & Leave Open votes...
    – hichris123
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 19:43
  • @hichris123: I want to. The truth is we are all individuals doing our own thing, so I can only speculate. If it doesn't then I do think something is inherently wrong with the rep system, but it's what we've got. As another answerer put it, those mechanisms might just be what's causing posts to linger and another example of the inconsistencies. The close votes shouldn't really be based on opinion. They should be based on criteria, I think those lines get blurred. Not sure if that's fixable.
    – BobbyDigital
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 19:52
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    I used C# as a stand-in for "very active tag with craploads of high-rep users in it", which I'm pretty sure is what you were going for as well. And no disrespect, but if you don't think knowledge of the subject is immensely useful when reviewing questions in it for closure, then wait until you get the opportunity to do so - I guarantee you will change your mind in a day. I can probably burn through half a dozen JS or WinAPI questions in the time it takes me to evaluate a single Ruby or SQL question, and the evidence so far is that this is common - hence the big list of tag filters above.
    – Shog9
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 20:17
  • @Shog9: That's my fault, I wasn't going for that but I can surely see why you did after re-reading it. I meant that a user who's read/answered over 28k posts could probably discern, fairly, if a post should be closed, C# was the icing on Jon's cake. But you point out that I'm mistaken on what's required to arrive at a decision to close, and at this point I can only take your word for it.
    – BobbyDigital
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 20:43
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Maybe a permanent version of this would be in order:

  • If there are no close votes, and the question has been in the queue for a month, drop it.
  • If there is 1-3 votes, hold off on dropping it for 2 months.
  • Older than 2 months since last close vote? It needs 4 close votes to sustain it.

Number of course could be tweaked, but just trying to put something out there.

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  • I like this idea but probably not those numbers
    – durron597
    Commented Mar 6, 2014 at 15:17
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I have a radical suggestion.

Automatic time-based closing.

  1. A user posts a close-worthy question.
  2. For great justice, a close-vote is cast against it.
  3. The timer begins.

Every question that has a close-vote cast against it has 5 - n weeks to live, where n is the close-vote count.

With the same mechanics as normal voting, someone can cast a stay-open-vote. The timer stops when the close/stay-open voting sums to zero (much as if no close votes had been cast to begin with)

The timer restarts anytime there are more close-votes than stay-open-votes cast against the question.

To summarize

Every question with at least 1 close-vote will be closed automatically, every subsequent close-vote will merely hasten that inevitability. Every stay-open-vote will prolong the lifetime of that question.

The result

In about a month, the queue is empty.

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    When a question gets a close vote and doesn't get additional close votes then that's a sign that the question shouldn't be closed, not that it should be closed. That's why close votes age and disappear if the question isn't closed after a period of time.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:22
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    I said it was radical ;-)
    – Dan Lugg
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:23
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    And I'm saying it's a bad idea.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:24
  • I understand completely. It's a far more draconian approach, but it'd definitely help keep the site clean.
    – Dan Lugg
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:25
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    It would mean closing questions that shouldn't be closed. That causes a lot of problems. We want to be closing exactly the questions that should be closed. Making the queue go away by simply not taking the proper action on the items in it isn't fixing the problem, it's just sweeping the dust under the rug. It's important to fix the actual problem, not the metric of the problem.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:27
  • That's fair. It does defer the responsibility to time, rather than reason. However the proposed system offers the ability to keep close-cast question open; the queue'd still exist, but the intent would change: It'd be the "stay-open queue".
    – Dan Lugg
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:29
  • And given that there is objective evidence that items in the queue aren't reviewed as quickly as they come in, you end up with a certain percentage of items being closed purely by chance, simply because they happened to not be shown to anyone, rather than because they should be closed. Sure, it doesn't happen to every post, but it still happens to a large enough percentage to be a problem.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:33
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    I do not like your idea, if I may say so. It assumes that questions that are false positives in the queue (i.e. that should not be closed really) are taken care of first. But obviously you can't tell the good questions from the bad ones before someone looked at them. Commented Feb 28, 2014 at 16:41
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    Well, despite the negative response, I'm going down with the ship on this one.
    – Dan Lugg
    Commented Mar 2, 2014 at 16:53

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