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I've come across 4 to 6 questions that start with "Hi". It's kind of odd since I don't recall encountering that many in the last month.

Most recently, the question is:

But I came across them in the Low Quality and First Post queses, too:

The jQuery question was just asked, the iOS question was asked two hours ago, and the Android question was asked three hours ago.

Also, when I begin to edit the question, the salutation is not automatically removed.

Is that filter still being used? Is it working as expected?

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  • Links? Are they new questions or old ones that have just had new answers posted?
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 10:23
  • @Chris - I added a few links. I can add more if needed.
    – jww
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 10:28
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    I wonder if it has something to do with where the first punctuation/new line appears. If you have "Hi, I'm asking..." or "Hi<br>I'm asking..." you can be sure what to remove, but if you have "Hi I'm asking..." where do you stop? Though from this question - meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/266259/… - it would appear that the first "sentence" was being removed.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 12:30

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There was a bit of a problem when we rolled out the Genuine StackDeSalutatorSuperDeluxe: it automatically 'de saluted' entire paragraphs sentences beginning with "Hi."

All that you've linked match this:

Hi, I've got this problem with the ointment Apple sent me, I'm not sure where it goes

Instead of:

Hi

I've got this problem with the ointment Apple sent me, I'm not sure where it goes

I'm 99.9% sure that we won't automatically strip the salutation if we can't clearly match it (and not remove other things too), so you'll see some of these. Because some things are best learned the hard way.

To be quite honest, I find the idea of silently removing bits of text that people submit to be rather wonky, I'd rather do this completely through just-in-time help, but then Jeff appears on my right shoulder and reminds me that many people simply don't read.

I'm not entirely sure how we're going to handle this going forward because it does cross paths with the quality project, I'm hoping for consistency, at the least :)

But anyway, there are some instances where it can't be removed safely.

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    The name of the filter is funny. Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 13:28
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    I'm not sure I understand why it has to strip out entire paragraphs. Why can't you just trim out individual words and phrases: "Hi", "Hello", "Hey", etc.?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 13:37
  • @CodyGray I'm not entirely sure. I just know it was a problem
    – user50049
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 13:42
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    did the filter by chance try to parse [X]HTML with regex?
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 13:50
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    Why remove/trim anything? Forbid to post in the first place, explaining that fluff is not welcome. That way, you actually teach the user.
    – FooBar
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 14:46
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    It's good to know other people are having issues with that ointment too.
    – roippi
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 14:58
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    Happy to see even someone involved in this isn't super happy with just silently removing text. I think it's really not the way a UI should be designed :/
    – Patrice
    Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 15:18
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    @FooBar: because Jeff appears on my right shoulder and reminds me that many people simply don't read. Instead of people complaining because their salutation is gone you'll end up with people complaining because they can't post messages.
    – nico
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 14:26
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    @FooBar Then you'll just see "Hi (sorry for code: wouldn't let me submit). I'm having a problem with XYZ..."
    – AstroCB
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 15:30
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    @CodyGray I'm not sure it's the actual reason, but consider this misspelling (as most of our users are not native speakers): Hi fi has always been a problem to me - Recently I've bought ..... Automatically you'd turn the start into "fi" and ruin the understanding. With Hi<br /><br />fi there's no question.
    – h2ooooooo
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 16:01
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    How about instead of some tool-tip that people would (not) read, a 3-seconds animation of drawing a huge red X over a question with highlighted salutation followed by a friendly green V over the same question with the salutation removed? Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 17:40
  • @FooBar I would prefer this as well. However, I wouldn't entirely forbid it, but when trying to submit show a big warning and explanation and the user has to actively submit it again. This way we would avoid problems with false positives (e.g. imagine a new superduper framework called Hi and someone wants to ask "Hi is doing something unexpected...")
    – dirkk
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 18:11
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    Seems it's a hi-pass filter now :0
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 22:23
  • It's pretty common to see hi and lo in code. I hope that won't be stripped.
    – dfeuer
    Commented Aug 24, 2014 at 16:38
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    Hahahaha, now I know why some question I recently saw began with "all, [...]" :D Commented Aug 24, 2014 at 17:01

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