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Jun 17, 2023 at 22:06 comment added Tom Wenseleers Let us continue this discussion in chat.
Jun 17, 2023 at 22:04 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PeterMortensen But in general I also don't find it difficult to tell if the answer you get out of it makes sense or not (if it's within your subject domain). And computer code is easy enough to test...
Jun 17, 2023 at 22:01 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PeterMortensen For these sorts of questions it often helps if you first paste in part of the manual or something. E.g. for my rdyncall / nara R package question I gave it an example demo so it could see some of the syntax, as those packages are only available on github & not in his training set.
Jun 17, 2023 at 22:01 comment added Peter Mortensen @Tom Wenseleers: I knew the risk and that is exactly why I wrote it was an *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** example *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didn't succeed.
Jun 17, 2023 at 21:59 comment added Peter Mortensen cont' - be treated as such). The point is ChatGPT was almost completely useless to me for that particular realm, using many, many prompts for many, many problems. The only win was that it found that Via actually works outside Google Chrome (this is very well hidden by the official Via home page (incl. very misleading error messages) and its documentation): "VIA Configurator is a desktop app that talks to your VIA-enabled keyboard"
Jun 17, 2023 at 21:59 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PeterMortensen Oh don't know - this is what ChatGPT4 replies to that exact question the way you phrased it. Does this make a little sense? But could be you need to ask the question in a somewhat better, clearer way dropbox.com/s/fx73t83bkrcaz8t/QMK.png?dl=1
Jun 17, 2023 at 21:59 comment added Peter Mortensen @Tom Wenseleers: I am not talking about trivial questions. I tried to use it throughout the process of commissioning a commercial QMK-based keyboard for daily heavy use, including keyboard macros (I have previously repurposed an AEKII to use QMK) as the search engines results were mostly useless. For instance, the obvious first question is where the PgUp/PgDn went (using modifier keys for this) on 96% (surely, other QMK users must have had this problem and proposed a workaround). That is just an example (and should only
Jun 17, 2023 at 21:19 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PeterMortensen ChatGPT4 gives a good summary if you ask "Do you know what the QMK Environment is?".
Jun 17, 2023 at 20:55 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PeterMortensen I feel that all these people commenting here haven't even tried ChatGPT4 to be honest. I posted some representative examples here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/387575/…. QMK would be a really specialised thing to ask about of course... Would many users or moderators know much about that either?
Jun 17, 2023 at 20:51 comment added Peter Mortensen GPT-4 sounds promising. I think Stack Overflow (the company) should provide free access to it, at least for a limited period, so we can evaluate it. For me, while there has been some successes, almost all responses about QMK have been all made up or completely wrong (ChatGPT 3.5?).
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Active reading [<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitHub> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WolframAlpha>]. Added some context.
Jun 17, 2023 at 13:53 comment added chivracq Hum, about the "10%" you mention, an Update about the Strike was posted a few days ago (4) and it said: "As of the time of writing, 113 out of 538 total Stack Exchange network moderators have signed the open strike letter, a percentage of 21%, and this number continues to grow." No Info though about 'SO' only, would be interesting to know the proportion for the 26(?) 'SO'-Mods...
Jun 17, 2023 at 12:47 comment added Tom Wenseleers My guess it's just a bad moment to post any questions on this policy, given the ongoing strike. Though it's also just 10% of the moderators I hear that are on strike. And they still seem to find the time to close this question, so they are not completely on strike... I imagine that very vocal 10% of the moderators massively biases any voting on this. A representative voting among the whole SO community would give a completely different result.
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:47 comment added Tom Wenseleers @SecurityHound It's literally only the OpenGL+SDL code part that was ChatGPT4 generated & even that with some edits. The rest of the answer I wrote myself. So technically impossible to tell apart, because the code would look exactly the same if I would have written it myself. The same than if I had picked up an SDL / OpenGL book. And I mentioned that for that small bit of the answer I had used ChatGPT - that gave it away. This answer you can tell it's GPT though stats.stackexchange.com/questions/76925/…
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:42 comment added Security Hound @TomWenseleers - Your original question that was deleted which you resubmitted then complained about, I quickly saw as being generated by OpenAI, but I said or did nothing at the time because I am on strike obviously
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:40 comment added Tom Wenseleers @SecurityHound Yes - duh - because I said in the answer the OpenGL code was ChatGPT4, but all the rest I wrote myself (and it was verified to work & I gave the output). Yes, then you don't need an AI detector. But if I hadn't told you no one would ever have noticed & everyone would have thought it was a perfect answer & SO has explicitly asked not to take any action towards suspected use of GPT... Are you proud of that useless bit of moderation?
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:37 comment added Tom Wenseleers @SecurityHound For this answer (which was an almost direct copy & paste ChatGPT4 answer), stats.stackexchange.com/questions/76925/…, you could tell yes, though with some altered prompts it might again become impossible to tell. Easier to tell at least if answer makes sense & is correct than to tell if it's GPT or not... Which is a whole lot more useful...
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:36 comment added Security Hound @TomWenseleers - I did the first time you submitted it. I don’t need to use a AI detector.
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:34 comment added Tom Wenseleers @SecurityHound There is no way in the world that you would have noticed that the OpenGL+SDL code in my answer (now posted at github.com/coolbutuseless/nara/issues/7) had been written by ChatGPT4 unless I had told you. If I would have done it myself it would have looked exactly the same. With minor effort any AI detector can be fooled. At 50% detection threshold the HuggingFace GPT detector has a false pos rate of 1 in 5 for pre-ChatGPT era SO posts...
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:28 comment added Security Hound @TomWenseleers - It’s trivial to identify OpenAI generated output, to say otherwise, is factually incorrect. I just spend 2 hours trying to get Bard to generate code for me, not once was the code correct, it fully understood what I wanted since I verified it understood what a TLE was. AI generated trash is trash.
Jun 16, 2023 at 21:07 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 And yes the question has a fair few votes because it is widely applicable (many would be interested in fast graphics in R) & I gave it 5 bounties over the past 5 years. Now posted my answer here github.com/coolbutuseless/nara/issues/7 because moderators keep on finding it necessary to delete it on SO (3x now), merely because of me being transparent about the fact that a small bit of the code I show had been written by ChatGPT4 (not the benchmarks or the rest of the code). Complete insanity.
Jun 16, 2023 at 20:54 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 I also thought that downvoting only happens in extreme cases, for extremely bad answers. But some users & moderators seem to be happy to spend some of their reputation to downvote answers merely because they mention GPT, even if they are well verified, and include benchmarks & if practically the whole answer is human written. Even if it's a perfect answer. Just out of principle. Like that annoying bureaucrat in the city hall that will tell you "the rules are the rules".
Jun 16, 2023 at 20:50 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 And yes that one "answer" there is now should at most have been a bad comment with a non-working solution. Much like ChatGPT4 having a bad day. :-)
Jun 16, 2023 at 20:40 comment added user4581301 But this is all observational. Neither side has data that convinces the other, and it might not exist for a few more years. And by then the technologies will have evolved and need reassessing. I hate moving targets.
Jun 16, 2023 at 20:39 comment added user4581301 On that Hallucination answer, that is an odd case. Typically the question gets dragged up by the quality of the answers. I see 43 upvotes on the question, suggesting it s a good question many would like to see answered. A net 1 upvote on the answer suggesting that the good karma of the question has not followed through and it's not all that good an answer. Maybe even a terrible answer. Too far out of my wheelhouse to be able to say for sure. One thing I know is that people don't like downvoting answers because it costs them (The PAIN!) one rep, so bad answers rarely get the deserved rating.
Jun 16, 2023 at 20:00 comment added Tom Wenseleers @PresidentJamesK.Polk I have read all those replies yes, and I couldn't agree with any of them. It was just opinionated answers, without concrete data to back up any claims (e.g. data comparing the accuracy of ChatGPT4 answers vs Stack Overflow answer) & showcasing a complete unwillingness to even consider the most basic of policies like requiring posting reproducible, working code. These concerns I do share though meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389928/…
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:55 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB Well I've tried to paste in an answer three times already, but the mere disclosure that that bit of OpenGL+SDL code was ChatGPT4 generated was enough to get the answer deleted by a moderator. Really ridiculous! I could try once more, rephrasing my own answer once more & giving the ChatGPT4 code variable names a different name or something stupid like that, but honestly - at that point I give up...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:54 comment added President James K. Polk Every premise of your question has been debunked here on MSO so many times and in so many ways already. Just read through the questions about it and the replies. chatGPT answers don't add value to the site, they are a huge net negative. The mere possibility that a few answers might not be so bad is hardly worth trading for the certainty that almost all will be convincing garbage.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:52 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB But I've seen that being discussed too - some argue that if the level of prompting required to get an answer is high enough that in that case you own the code & answer & that the AI shouldn't be credited. That would be fine for me too, if that would be stated as such somewhere. But that would not be a blanket ban. And that would probably also allow for code produced whilst being assisted by Github Copilot and such...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:51 comment added Kevin B @TomWenseleers You're free to use your expertise to answer it if you're so inclined, as is anyone else.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:49 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB Now the only consequence of Stack Overflow's policies is that that question stackoverflow.com/questions/48119360/… will probably never receive an answer. Except for a human answer with a hallucinated solution...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:47 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB Well of course I still understand code coming out of ChatGPT - most people would. But in my case I didn't want to read two books on OpenGL & SDL first to get my simple problem solved, so that part of the code came from ChatGPT, nicely annotated, github.com/coolbutuseless/nara/issues/7. But according to you the only mistake I made then was disclosing I had used ChatGPT4. I don't think that's fair, because here it literally just took me 2 prompts, so it seemed fair to mention it... And sources need to be given...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:45 comment added Clive Don't forget, you have the knowledge/expertise to critique generated content, most people using GPT for generating code don't. That analysis is really important, so while it works great in isolation for folks like yourself, it just doesn't scale. Or at least so far it doesn't look like it's scaled well on SO
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:43 comment added Kevin B If you understand the code enough to provide an answer, then you are answering it as yourself, not AI, using knowledge that you yourself own. If you are copy pasting an answer that isn't yours, you aren't proving that you have that knowledge and that you are worthy of verifying its accuracy.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:42 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB The argument "if people want to use ChatGPT4 why would they bother going to SO anyway, then they could ask it directly" I also don't buy - it can still take some prompts to get the answer right, and then having a single canonical answer compiled from a number of prompts with reproducible & verified working code is valuable & could still save other people some work...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:40 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB With respect to that last point - I disagree - in my case I decided to paste in an answer after finally having managed to solve my original problem with the help of ChatGPT4, after 5 years - and I felt that was of interest to the SO community - being able to do fast graphics in R is of general interest. Many would reason like that. If they would occasionally see an unanswered question that they finally found the answer to, they would likely paste in their code... But not if they would get banned for doing so or have their answer immediately deleted...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:37 comment added Kevin B Bad code and good code alike has no place here if it was generated by AI. If people want an AI answer they can go to a site that provides that service.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:36 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB But again - when it comes to programming related answers - a simple guideline "code that was produced partially or completely using ChatGPT or Github Copilot should be disclosed as such and should show output & reproducible benchmarks to demonstrate that it works" would solve that... Bad code produced by GPT can be taken care of in the same way as bad code produced by any human...
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:34 comment added Kevin B If it's truely as good as you think it is, It has no purpose here and people who use it have no reason to share it here outside of earning imaginary internet points on skills they don't have.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:32 comment added Kevin B That's fine, however, people are still using the old crap if that's what they're still using. It doesn't change the stance or how it should be handled here.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:31 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB Presumably because it's unedited, unverified ChatGPT3.5 answers - that one just scored in the bottom 10% on university entrance exams. Meanwhile ChatGPT4 scores in the top 10% - that's an entirely different kettle of fish, especially also for programming & maths. In any case: checking if an answer is correct is 10x easier than checking if GPT has been used if not disclosed. In the case of my question taken down by those moderators: the output was included, so I obviously ran & tested the code.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:27 comment added Kevin B @TomWenseleers None of those align with what we see here on stack sites. Until they do, they are irrelevant to how AI is to be managed here.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:19 comment added Tom Wenseleers @KevinB My results are perfectly in line with all the latest benchmarks of ChatGPT4, e.g. for maths, arxiv.org/abs/2306.08997, answering BAR exam questions, LSAT, SAT, etc (top 10% relative to avg human capability). I presume you still get too many unverified ChatGPT3.5 answers. But a simple guideline "any posted code that makes use of code partially or completely based on ChatGPT output should show the output & reproducible benchmarks" would solve that... From all the negative comments on ChatGPT on this site I get the distinct impression no one spent more than 5 mins with it.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:12 comment added Kevin B i mean, you can say that as many times as you want, until results exist outside of your miraculously positive results that noone else can verify it is meaningless. Instead, we can continue to act on the results we have seen, repeatedly, for the past 6-8 months.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:03 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 Well, I also see plenty of plain wrong answers on SO - like the one posted here stackoverflow.com/questions/48119360/…, which I would call a human hallucination of an answer/solution. ChatGPT4 got quite a bit better on that - it will also sometimes say it doesn't know or doesn't have the info. But then again it knows a hell of a lot, more than any individual human alive today....
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:18 comment added user4581301 They also need to work on GPT's tendency to make shit up when it can't find a correct answer. I don't know is a valid response to any question. Not on Stackoverflow, mind you. Here if you don't actually know the answer you're expected to post nothing.
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:15 comment added user4581301 I expect that that Stackoverflow will still be in the background fielding the new-and-interesting stuff, but it'll stop being the general-purpose helpdesk that's racking up most of the pageviews. In a way, AI could be an Eternal September mitigation tool. And not because it exterminated mankind. Side note: SO generally isn't all that good at answering big questions. Difficult questions, yes, but big questions are almost always many small problems ganging up on you. If the AI can aggregate multiple small answers to small problems into a larger solution, that's significant value add.
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:52 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 Well, call me nostalgic, but I would prefer that Stack Overflow would stay around actually. But my argument is that at some point in the future they'll have to start embracing AI if they want it to stay relevant. It will not be the case that Stack Overflow will only still get the difficult questions which will then be answered. Those questions will be too much work to answer for any regular human that can't be assisted by any AI tool.
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:46 comment added user4581301 Come on, sir. You should well know that my single datapoint can beat up your single datapoint. But you've misread me. We're effectively arguing the same point. I'm just going further: If the new tool can out-perform Stackoverflow, let Stackoverflow die.
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:46 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 Posts like ai.stackexchange.com/questions/38220/why-is-chatgpt-bad-at-math that I see here are terribly outdated with respect to the true capabilities and accuracy of ChatGPT4. I would like to see objective up to date benchmarks of the accuracy of ChatGPT4 vs Stack Overflow answers using the latest version... Soon it will be the case that if ChatGPT can't answer your question no one on SO will either...
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:42 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 Also this answer, stats.stackexchange.com/questions/76925/… - that of ChatGPT4 is a million times better than any of the other answers. And for me that's now more the rule than the exception. Maths capabilities, incl with Wolfram Alpha plugin, now also rock, cf benchmarks here arxiv.org/abs/2306.08997
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:40 comment added Tom Wenseleers @user4581301 For me it now has become the opposite actually: ChatGPT4 allows me to solve even the more complex problems that I never got an answer to on Stack Overflow, like stackoverflow.com/questions/48119360/…, github.com/coolbutuseless/nara/issues/7 (the human written answer seems to hallucinate a solution there). Which is why I would still like a means to publicly preserve those answer (after verification, with reproducible code & benchmarks given).
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:31 comment added user4581301 I see the nature of programming changing dramatically with AI picking up a lot of the scut work much like compilers, databases, and RAD tools once did. A robot that can take a description of program behaviour and turn it into a executable program really isn't that much different from a compiler anyway. Someone has to describe the program. Someone has to verify that the program does what it says on the box., nothing more and nothing less. If the robot does everything else, groovy. More time with the kids.
Jun 16, 2023 at 17:27 comment added user4581301 If chat GPT answers the question, why post at Stackoverflow at all? If it can answer the simple stuff and eliminate the duplicates, that's a huge benefit to Stackoverflow. Yes, SO page views will go way down. I don't really have a problem with that because people should come here when they can't easily find the information they need elsewhere. If someone comes up with a better way to access and distribute the information in SO's database, cool beans! My one fear is self-perpetuating circle-jerks of bad information because a language model wouldn't know a bad idea if it got bit by one.
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:49 comment added Tom Wenseleers Well, at least I think I discovered the reason why traffic to Stack Overflow is declining so much (trends.google.com/trends/…) & ChatGPT is booming (trends.google.com/trends/…). It might have to do something with the fact that on the latter you can actually ask questions & get helpful replies without being shouted at by an angry mob of unbearable users & moderators. :-)
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:35 history duplicates list edited Cody GrayMod duplicates list edited from Policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned to Is it acceptable to post answers generated by an AI, such as GitHub Copilot? [duplicate], Policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned, Are all generative AIs banned?
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:02 comment added Karl Knechtel "Sorry but the post you link doesn't answer any of my questions. It mentions GPT. Does that also include Github Copilot? Does it also include Anthropic Claude+?" - see also meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/422949, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/412696, etc.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:26 comment added Cerbrus Again you're the one that wants to make a suggestion, it's your responsibility to make the suggestion credible and understandable. You are in no place to complain about this getting closed when you continually disregard any and all advice given. You're repeatedly stated "SO will sort it out"... That's not good enough.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:46 comment added Tom Wenseleers Well sorry after all the effort I spent already I can't be asked to go and edit a question that's now been closed for being a duplicate for already having an answer: it's not allowed. I am a professor, yes, and I have work to do. Asking that AI assisted answers would present reproducible code with a benchmark would be easy enough to check that answers are verified. That was obviously the case for the answers I posted there. It's not rocket science. And SO will sort it out - they are well aware of the problems with current policies... We don't need those protracted debates on meta SO for that.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:25 comment added Cerbrus As a professor, SMART formulation should ring a bell. Use it.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:20 comment added BDL @TomWenseleers: Stating "we need a better rewards system" is not a concrete suggestion. How would a better system look like, which changes to our current system does it require? Which impacts will it have to the current state of working?
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:18 comment added Cerbrus `You're the one making a suggestion. If you want your suggestion to get any traction, you're going to have to be clear. As I stated before, this question is vague, rambling, unclear.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:17 comment added Tom Wenseleers @Cerbrus My suggestions on this (e.g. a better reward system to flag correct & incorrect answers) were above, but the question got closed down. Anyway, gotta get on with my work. That SO sorts it out, not my job!
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:14 comment added Cerbrus Then suggest something that fixes that problem.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:13 comment added Tom Wenseleers @ThomA The net result will just be that users will keep on using them to assist them in answering questions or parts of questions, but will not disclose it, and that nothing can be done about it, as GPT cannot be accurately detected & so the policy cannot be enforced, while well-meaning users like myself that would be transparent about their sources would get punished for it. Quite a ridiculous & a pretty bad outcome I would say...
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:11 comment added Cerbrus Yea, you're wrong. GPT is not a copyrighted term. OpenAI might be the market leader, but they don't (and can't) own that abbreviation.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:09 comment added Tom Wenseleers @Cerbrus Sorry but nobody counts Anthropic Claude, Google Bard, Meta's LLama and Google's PaLM2 as all falling under GPT - yes they use transformers, but OpenAI has ruled that GPT should be regarded as a brand of OpenAI.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:05 comment added Thom A That doesn't matter, @TomWenseleers . If I go to road where bicycles are banned, I can't say "but I'm fast on a bicycle, so it's ok". The same applies here; GPT is GPT and GPT is banned,
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:04 comment added Cerbrus It's a blanket ban on any and all things GPT. It's not that difficult!
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:03 comment added Tom Wenseleers @ThomA Performance is massively different though. And it says nothing about other LLMs like Anthropic's Claude+ e.g.... So pretty clear that the current guidelines are unclear & open to interpretation.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:03 comment added Cerbrus "Anthropic Claude" is a LLM. It is A GTP implementation. It does fall under that same rule. ALL AI-driven text generators do. How is that so hard to understand?
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:02 comment added Cerbrus No, that's not what Ryan told you. He didn't give an "okay" to GPT in general, he told you your specific answer was being left undeleted while they figure it out: "For the record, it's been decided to leave that particular answer up, at least for the time being. This is unrelated to whether it explicitly admits the source is ChatGPT, to be clear. In general, we do expect sources to be cited, including AI. The exact policy is in flux; as this policy notes in the title, it is temporary."
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:01 comment added Thom A ChatGPT4 is still GPT, @TomWenseleers . The ruling isn't against GPT-3, it's against GPT (Generative pre-trained transformer). ChatGPT and Co-Pilot both use GPT.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:57 comment added Tom Wenseleers @RyanM-Regenerateresponse told me otherwise yesterday... And if I had used Anthropic Claude+ it would have been OK? And if I had not disclosed that for part of the answer (not the benchmarking or actual answer) I had used ChatGPT4 it would have been OK too?
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:54 comment added Cody Gray Mod Yes, it includes all GPT-generated content.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:44 comment added Cerbrus The official policy is very clear in that no GPT-generated content is allowed whatsoever: "to issue immediate suspensions of up to 30 days to users who are copying and pasting GPT content onto the site"
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:42 comment added Tom Wenseleers @CodyGray-onstrike Sorry but the post you link doesn't answer any of my questions. It mentions GPT. Does that also include Github Copilot? Does it also include Anthropic Claude+? RyanM-Regenerateresponse mentioned my specific question was ruled to be legit & would be allowed. Yet it gets deleted. That shows the level of confusion there is on what rules are in place.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:34 comment added BDL @TomWenseleers: I guess your post would be more productive if you add a suggestion for a concrete policy on AI usage and how exactly it should be implemented. To this point, there wasn't any good suggestion made that prevents AI copy-pasting while not harming the ability of human users to provide answers. I'm sure if you can come up with something good, that will be helpful for the community.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:33 comment added Cody Gray Mod The community and moderators' current position is very clear; I've marked this question as a duplicate of that very position/policy. You can also read about it here.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:32 comment added Cerbrus There's (again) a lot of rambling and noise in your question here... You really need to be more specific in what you're suggesting or asking. As it is right now, this question is unclear.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:32 history closed Cody GrayMod support Duplicate of Policy: Generative AI (e.g., ChatGPT) is banned
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:32 comment added Thom A There are already pretty strict rules for posting many posts in succession, @TomWenseleers . It's only once you have over a certain rep threshold (can't remember what off the top of my head) that some of those are lowered.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:31 comment added Tom Wenseleers @prusswan That's a bit of a poor comparison. I propose to not just tell people to use it responsibly, but to make sure that adequate reward systems are in place so that only high quality AI inspired answers would get upvoted. I.e. a much better reward system for up or downvoting for good or bad answers.
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Jun 16, 2023 at 12:28 comment added prusswan Neutral btw. ChatGPT is no different from a gun, telling people to use it responsibly isn't going to stop the mass shootings or the occasional toddler offing himself
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:28 comment added Tom Wenseleers @BDL Tighter restrictions for example on making posts in quick succession, especially if it would concern users with a poor record in terms of giving high quality, highly rated answers...
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:26 comment added BDL ... would be to implement measures that address the concerns associated with posting unverified or poor quality answers in quick succession ...: What measures do you suggest and how would you enforce them?
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