Timeline for 2022 Moderator Election Q&A – Question Collection
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Nov 1, 2022 at 16:19 | comment | added | TylerH | @ouflak I agree with that; I was just taking issue with the one sentence I quoted and italicized in my comment above. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 15:03 | comment | added | ouflak | @TylerH, "Two users arguing about what constitutes hateful language is never relevant to an on-topic Q or A on Stack Overflow" Couldn't agree more with this statement. And my own meta posts support that sentiment completely. But it has come up. And that possibility is still lingering around. Moderators have literally resigned over this kind of stuff. Fortunately these very exceptional circumstances are rare. But a moderator might have to deal with this situation. How they would, I believe, is a fair question. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 14:10 | comment | added | TylerH | "The accusatory comment exchange then proceeds from there, never actually strictly wandering off-topic for the site" That's incorrect; as soon as it starts, it's off-topic for the site. Maybe the initial comment could be construed as OK since it's recommending an improvement to an answer, but certainly an exchange of any length (and in the tone you're suggesting) should be deleted or at least migrated to chat. Two users arguing about what constitutes hateful language is never relevant to an on-topic Q or A on Stack Overflow. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 13:01 | comment | added | ouflak | @MisterMiyagi, "removing the "never actually strictly wandering off-topic for the site..."...would in my book at least remove the feeling of referring to some specific incident that may hide a gotcha". No gotchas here as there really can't be a right or wrong response to this question. It's just to get a sense of how a candidate might respond in the given situation as a moderator. I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm afraid that is a key component. Anyway, looks like the Meta effect has taken hold for this answer anyway. Outside of a brilliant suggestion, I'll probably leave it as-is. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 12:33 | comment | added | user5349916 | @ouflak I personally don't think it's feasible to provide enough details but stay concise enough. So I can only tell you that it feels like asking for too much storytelling, not how to remedy this. FWIW, removing the "never actually strictly wandering off-topic for the site, though there are a few injections about the posters' respective posting histories thrown in" would in my book at least remove the feeling of referring to some specific incident that may hide a gotcha. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 12:16 | comment | added | ouflak | @MisterMiyagi - Actually it's referring many many incidents that have occurred on StackOverflow over the years. But I am curious. What other information do you think would be enough to not lead a potential candidate to an answer that might now be their own? Several of these questions, including this one, are left with few or no exact details, and that's on purpose. I'd like to stick to that pattern. It's a pattern I agree with. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 12:10 | comment | added | user5349916 | Wording aside, I am uncomfortable with this question. It seems to obviously refer to some incident without disclosing which so it feels very much like baiting for judgement on that incident. Yet there isn't enough information to actually grasp the situation. So candidates will effectively have to invent a situation and focus on communicating that (to avoid misunderstandings), and still wonder just who they have actually condemned implicitly. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 11:34 | comment | added | ouflak | @MisterMiyagi, Fair point. Removed that wording. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 11:33 | history | edited | ouflak | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 1, 2022 at 11:27 | comment | added | user5349916 | Can you perhaps use more... comprehensible wording? I have no idea what "socio-politically negative" means (I assume it means more than "discriminatory or otherwise unfair to some", since otherwise you could have just written that instead). | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 10:36 | comment | added | ouflak | @JeanneDark, Don't know how that one slipped pass my Meta radar. I'd prefer to stay away from any specific situation here though. These are hypothetical questions, and I don't want the discussion to turn away from that. In the specific situation I referred to, I'm not suggesting it was handled correctly or incorrectly. Only that it gives us an idea on how a potential moderator might approach a situation. For you, tidying up the comments and/or deleting the chain seems straightforward. Fine. But it's not always that simple and each candidate brings with them their own perspective. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 10:25 | comment | added | ouflak | @JeanneDark "...how this is not already covered in the rules and/or trivial to handle for even non-moderators." Yeah, some things are black-and-white. A moderator often can just act off of default obvious judgement, and that's the end of it. But many of the questions here, including my attempt (hopefully), are a bit more broad and/or trying to actually elicit an answer from a potential candidate. "Sensitive topics that spawn from technical questions have to be dealt with. How would you deal with them?" - That sort of thing. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 10:11 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | Thanks, although I don't really see how they cover the case you describe in your answer "a specific detail of the topic is socio-politically negative" and how this is not already covered in the rules and/or trivial to handle for even non-moderators. Maybe I just have hard time picturing a case in which such a specific detail could be an integral part of an SO post that's suitable for the site. Is something like this perhaps related to what you mean (although still quite a stretch). | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 9:58 | comment | added | ouflak | @JeanneDark, And ofcourse the iconic Why is StackOverflow so negative of late?. Those were spawned by questions about random number generators, React components, and game development. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 9:56 | comment | added | ouflak | @JeanneDark, I'd prefer to link to the Meta discussions that have resulted as many will have links to actual questions. First though, StackOverflow's blog. Ex. 1, Ex. 2. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 9:41 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | Can you link to some of those examples to show that this is a problem that a moderator could face on SO in practice and not solve trivially by editing the post and deleting the comments in question (you don't even need to be a mod to edit, and enough flags by regular users can also remove comments)? | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 9:28 | comment | added | ouflak | @JeanneDark, It really depends on the topic, and what point was brought up. Obviously this question should remain generic. But there have been accusations of bias on this site before, and indeed some of the most iconic meta posts on this site deal with that. There is a reason why those elected have to agree to the Moderators Agreement. Even an apparently cold strictly technical site like Stack Overflow has had to handle these kind of issues. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 9:22 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | I guess you are referring to Expatriates.SE, but how would that be applicable to SO? Is there any hypothetical case in which the specific detail cannot just be edited out (and the comment chain deleted)? I don't see any reason why something sparking such a discussion would have any place in a post on a technical site like SO. | |
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Nov 1, 2022 at 8:45 | comment | added | ouflak | This question is based on a situation I've actually run into as a moderator. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 8:44 | history | answered | ouflak | CC BY-SA 4.0 |