Timeline for How to encourage people to use linebreaks and periods?
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Oct 2, 2022 at 12:48 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | (There is also a whole industry for paid homework (e.g., through Fiverr. Or more organised—they even say so directly—I quote: "You can submit your homework by simply clicking the 'Assignment submission' option and following the steps to submit your homework."). The creation of accounts and submitting the commissioned homework may even be automated by bots, etc. That is, the homework is submitted on the behalf of somebody else.) | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 12:46 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | But you are right. It is odd to ask about C#, Visual Studio, Kubernetes, C++, JavaScript, Python, Flask, JSON, WSL (Windows), Azure, Ansible, Java, Bash, XML, Jenkins, macOS, Linux, iOS, Docker, and even Ruby(!), all within a few weeks or months. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 12:25 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | cont' - More likely is using Stack Overflow as a personal assistant who you can ask any programming question the moment it enters your mind. Another possible motive (but unlikely) is getting a lot of reputation points. A well-known way is asking literally thousands of questions, ignoring the occasional downvotes, and don't ever delete anything. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 12:08 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | @Lino: Here is another example (the daily (or higher rate) questions subsided approx. 2015): 1,813 questions. The writing style did improve somewhat over the years, but only after more than 1,000 questions had been posted. "every existing technology currently available" might indicate paid homework, but the writing style contradicts it. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 21:49 | comment | added | Lino | @PeterMortensen That user with 28k rep from your examples is weird. Can't understand how someone can ask almost eleven hundred questions. In possibly every existing technology currently available. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 15:34 | comment | added | Steve Summit | A big part of the problem (although I'm probably not allowed to say this) is that many of our first-time posters are, for whatever reasons, just about completely incompetent. They are as incapable of paying enough attention to markdown syntax to construct a coherent post as they are of solving (or even understanding our answers to) the programming problem they're trying to ask about. (And, sadly, no amount of encouragement will change that.) | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 14:06 | history | edited | Christian | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 13:41 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Though it should be said there are sometimes internal separating newlines in the Markdown source (that don't render), but that is only the case for sample 6 and sample 7 and partly for one of the other samples. (Many other systems, e.g. some forums and WordPress, render newlines in the source, but Markdown and HTML don't.) | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 13:25 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | cont' - Sample 4. Sample 5. Sample 6. Sample 7. Sample 8. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 13:14 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "do not use line breaks and periods ... using commas": That is mild. Leaving out punctuation completely (in between sentences in a paragraph) is much much worse. The suffering experienced by readers is much higher. I wouldn't attribute sadistic motives to the writers, but there is a total lack of empathy for their readers. Sample 1 (starting from "so i need to align"). Sample 2. Sample 3 (requires more than 10,000 reputation points). | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 12:56 | comment | added | Christian | @PeterMortensen interesting links! Didn't know these run-on sentences. But I need to object against your really general statement in bold though, a lot of people are willing to learn. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 12:51 | history | edited | Christian | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 12:35 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | As much as we would like people to improve, we can't make other people do anything (unless there is sweet, sweet reputation points involved, of course). Most people are not interested in learning anything (there are exceptions, of course). For instance, native speakers don't have any interest in learning to avoid producing run-on sentences or distinguish between than and then. Just be thankful it is possible to change the content on Stack Overflow. | |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 8:55 | comment | added | rene | related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/109025 (and also read the Linked posts on that question) | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 7:26 | history | edited | Alexei Levenkov | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 2:34 | vote | accept | Christian | ||
Oct 1, 2022 at 2:05 | vote | accept | Christian | ||
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Oct 1, 2022 at 1:55 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 15 | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:52 | comment | added | Christian | That's nice. Thanks for taking the time to discuss my concern. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:49 | comment | added | ggorlen | I forgot to mention, welcome to meta @Christian and thanks for helping the community with your edits! Back to my "it's hopeless" tack: you might want to check out the "Thanks in advanced" saga that's been plaguing the community if you haven't yet. TL;DR just getting people not only to not write "thanks", but even just to spell it correctly is virtually impossible. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:44 | comment | added | Christian | There's a different between fixing long sentences/paragraphs and reworking posts. Telling the users help. I remember a situation where I edited/rewrote a complete post and the developer who posted it was really really thankful for my edits, see stackoverflow.com/questions/71534173/… (check the initial and final post, far beyond fixing line breaks and commas though). | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:44 | comment | added | Christian | Standards are not possible, I know. I am not aiming for standards. Writing is pretty tough. "human autocorrect" is fantastic :) We had "human google translate" at work today. I will check out the link you have added. A reminder may be good though. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:34 | comment | added | Christian | I really like "It's probably most pragmatic to insist on content quality." - currently, I just edit posts, but I have already told some people that I did and why. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:31 | comment | added | ggorlen | As far as encouraging shorter sentences (and other grammar/formatting standards)--that's tough. Voting is good. Docs/guidance is good (but rarely heeded). Machine assistance is questionable and often has unintended side effects. Editing sometimes makes me wonder if I'm just a human autocorrect. Related: Why do so many posts contain poor grammar or poorly worded titles? | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:27 | comment | added | ggorlen | Yes. It's a huge problem, but I'm not sure there's a good answer for "why" that's particularly productive to discuss here. Explaining why writing skills are generally poor is beyond SO's control (differing native English skills/education/cultural expectations for effort when contributing to an online community, people "texting" posts on phones, etc...). So it's not so simple to achieve as you may think. It's probably most pragmatic to insist on content quality. If a post is well-researched, informative and accurate, I can edit a few run-on sentences (but formatting and quality do correlate). | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 0:58 | history | asked | Christian | CC BY-SA 4.0 |