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Jul 24, 2020 at 3:55 answer added Cody GrayMod timeline score: 6
Jul 20, 2020 at 9:12 comment added 0Valt ...and please do forgive us for being overly concerned about not a very important problem per se - this tag discussion is blocking several others that we could resolve by ourselves. To wrap up: we do understand that there is an election going on, there are only so many of you and that you do a huge amount of mostly thankless work, and it is really appreciated that you still take time to disambiguate/retag/rename/merge.
Jul 20, 2020 at 8:49 comment added 0Valt @CodyGray - I apologize if that was too much. This post was meant to be a definitive discussion about the tag's future, and since you provided the input on this from the start pinging you in the comments sounded like a good idea. If there was something like "we will get back to it after the election" note or something similar we would not worry too much about it and just rest for a while. You also mentioned that a lot of times notifications get drowned under an avalanche of others.
Jul 20, 2020 at 8:46 comment added TheMaster @CodyGray Apologies. I wanted to wait till after the election. But since I saw another comment (by oleg), I thought you would want to read it in the same note(about bhargav which happened a while back) without having to annoy you later. The intention was to avoid annoying you. Apologies again.
Jul 20, 2020 at 8:39 comment added Cody Gray Mod TheMaster: Pinging moderators about this is very annoying. We have other things to do, most of which are more important than manipulating some tags. (For example, have you noticed there's an election going on?) Having the requests on Meta is sufficient. They don't need to be fast-tracked to our inboxes. We review the Meta requests whenever we have the opportunity, assuming they are properly tagged. Creating even more posts on Meta about the same thing doesn't help fast-track it, either. It just accomplishes annoying a moderator. (cc @Oleg)
Jul 20, 2020 at 8:37 comment added TheMaster @CodyGray Also tagged Bhargav He seems ok with making a synonym as well if there are no dissenting opinions among subject experts. We waited a few days to see if there are dissenting opinions raised. There was none from any side. I'm sure you'd respect subject matter experts opinion in respective tags. Let me know if you still have any reservations.
Jul 20, 2020 at 8:05 comment added 0Valt @CodyGray - could you take a look at the renaming of gas if you have some time to spare? We asked the top answerers from the tag to weigh in, and there is no dissonance between us in that renaming and synonymization process should proceed. I think top answerers from respective tags being in agreement should be enough to address the concern of name usage (at least the renaming part of things - that would be a start). This will solve many problems for both sides and close a long-standing issue. Thank you for considering this!
Jul 15, 2020 at 11:23 answer added Michael Petch timeline score: 11
Jul 15, 2020 at 9:22 answer added Rafa Guillermo timeline score: 10
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:46 comment added TheMaster @CiroSantilli郝海东冠状病六四事件法轮功 Asa top questioner and answerer of the tag gas, your opinion is valuable. Consider creating a answer. Thank you for accepting my invite and your comments on the matter.
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:42 answer added Peter Cordes timeline score: 14
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Jul 15, 2020 at 8:23 comment added 0Valt @PeterCordes - true, as I am sure you know the outcry for a feature like this has been around for ages, but alas to no avail... Having a warning would be a solution close to ideal, if not the solution. This is sort of possible, but I recall info that it needs to be manually added by an employee, which makes it intractable... Re:mars - it could potentially be fixed by a rename with mssql- prefix (given that there already are tags with that prefix)
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:22 history edited TheMaster CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jul 15, 2020 at 8:18 comment added Ciro Santilli OurBigBook.com Either gnu-gas or gnu-assembler are better than gas, rename away by me.
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:14 comment added Peter Cordes We have many other commonly-mistagged tags, like SSE for server-sent-events. It really annoys me when people tag both SSE and server-sent-events because they obviously found both tags but then just assumed there were redundant tags instead of reading the popups. Also [mars] (some library) is commonly mistagged for [mars-simulator] (the MIPS simulator). The GAS case sounds worse than most.
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:14 comment added 0Valt @oguzismail - wait, you downvote the question just for mistagging an ambigous tag..? Re:gnu - actually, this has more to do with the larger discussion of "branching" tags vs "constructor" tags (for example, see git). I mentioned it since gnu-assembler will perfectly fit in line with other GNU-linked tags. Even though we debate the gas part, the rename to gnu-assembler is not in dispute, it would be a good solution given the very limited abilities we have now
Jul 15, 2020 at 8:11 comment added Peter Cordes It would be really nice if SO had tag-combination checking, like [gas] + [google-sheets] gave a warning, or [gas] without [assembly] gave a warning. I don't follow the GAS or NASM tags specifically, just assembly and x86*, because I expect people to tag "assembly" for question about assembly languages. IDK, maybe I should follow them as well, but I'm more interested in the machine / ISA than the asm syntax.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:53 comment added Rafa Guillermo @oguzismail If we take this stance then the fact that new users can ask questions at all without being forced to understand how the tags work is the root of the problem. It's intractable and non-mitigatable. This is about making things as clear as possible for new users, while minimising work on established users with constant tagging and retagging.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:51 comment added TheMaster @oguzismail Personally I am still willing to keep removing the gas tag from questions about Google Apps Script and downvoting them for bothering me You say that, but you're not in the top questioners or answers in gas. There are no posts associated with you and tag:gas. I highly doubt your willingness to bear the tag editing burden. Also gas is only a year old than google-apps-script
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:49 comment added Rafa Guillermo "Google Apps Scripts is a very long name for such a popular technology, so it's expected for askers to abbreviate it" is literally an argument for the adoption of gas to mean Google Apps Script, not against. It's expected that people will call it this. People inherently do not like change, but much like spoken language, when a word becomes so synonymous with a new concept, the old meaning starts to be overshadowed. While gas is commonly used to mean both, the use cases are clearly reflected by the popularity of one meaning over the other, and Stackoverflow should reflect this.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:43 comment added 0Valt @oguzismail - hence my comment about the pragmatic side of things: gas leads to more problems than it solves: 1. Extra work for editors. 2. Less visibility for questions that go unnoticed until someone on the lookout decides to check. 3. It is dissonant with other GNU-based tags. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. Please also note that the problem can be solved without taking the tag, just a rename will be a good progress. P.S. Popularity is just an argument addressing ongoing discussion with Cody.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:25 comment added ziganotschka Whilst GAS is a common abbreviation both for GNU assembler and Google-Apps-Script, on Stackoverflow there are way more questions about Google Apps Script than GNU assembler. So it makes more sense to make GAS a tag for Google Apps Script.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:23 comment added TheMaster @oguzismail As said before, I meant gnu-assembler tag. This discussion isn't just for the benefit of apps script users, but also for gas users. Mistagged questions will be more and watchers aren't enough/will not be enough in gas to handle retagging. For eg, the first proposal was made by a user active in the gnu-assembler tag and not the apps script tag.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:11 comment added TheMaster @oguzismail I dont think I made my point clear. The query was intended to gauge the usage of a word "gas" within body/title in questions associated with a tag. This is in direct response to the statement by cody: not comfortable with the claim that “gas” is more commonly used to mean Google’s something, versus the Gnu assembler. The results show "gas" is used 1800 times with google-apps-script and 300 times with gas. In absolute numbers, "gas" is "more commonly" used to mean google-apps-script.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:10 comment added 0Valt @oguzismail - I apologize if the query comes off as showing "newbies misuse", the intention was to show that the current wording creates issues while preventing optimizations to be made in other tags, leading to subpar experience for both parties.
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:01 comment added 0Valt ...also, gnu, as you know, has a lot of branching : gnu-coreutils, gnu-findutils, gnu-sort, gnu-make, gnu-toolchain, gnu-smalltalk, gnu-prolog, etc., so isn't it kind of expected to have gnu-assembler as well, why GAS? That said, I do realize that it is commonly refered to as gas or as, and that is a valid point
Jul 15, 2020 at 7:00 comment added 0Valt @CodyGray - despite a lot of arguments for doing something about the tag are related to the popularity, maybe a more pragmatic approach could be adopted - I know you are uncomfortable with the proposal, but if it solves more issues than it creates, why not? For example, we have a huge problem with 35 char limit that is not going anywhere soon and this short version can help a lot. Just a rename can help a lot - people will start to get used to the tag being named that way, and eventually the need for gas will naturally diminish. Then it can by made synonym then...
Jul 15, 2020 at 6:13 comment added TheMaster My point is that the number of watchers in gas tag would not be able to handle the absolute number of mistagged questions and the mistagging is only set to increase.
Jul 15, 2020 at 6:04 comment added TheMaster @CodyGray Thank you for the response.1.Given that new users can't create tags, once [gas] is gone, it might not come back.2. About the accuracy of the name "gas", Even if it as you say, in absolute terms,because of the overall popularity, more users would refer to apps script as gas. I made a SEDE to see how many times the word "gas" is associated with the tag, The query returns ~1800 for apps-script and ~300 for gnu tag. Percent wise, gnu might appear top.But sheer absolute numbers would mean more burden on editors.
Jul 15, 2020 at 5:50 history edited TheMaster CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jul 15, 2020 at 5:50 comment added Cody Gray Mod We have no ability to ban tags outright (i.e., blacklist) anymore, unfortunately. So that option is right out. I am, as I said before, not comfortable with the claim that “gas” is more commonly used to mean Google’s something, versus the Gnu assembler, for which it is very commmonly used, even as the name of the executable itself, and clearly on topic for Stack Overflow.
Jul 15, 2020 at 5:48 history edited TheMaster CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jul 15, 2020 at 5:14 history edited TheMaster CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jul 15, 2020 at 4:43 comment added oguz ismail New users frequently tag gas to refer to Google apps script. This is the problem that needs to be solved. The tag excerpt for gas doesn't even mention Google Apps Script.
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