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#We need to communicate better with users about closure

We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give tag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

Give tag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

I'm going to take a different tack here

#We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give tag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

I'm going to take a different tack here

We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

Give tag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

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I'm going to take a different tack here

#We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give silvertag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

I'm going to take a different tack here

#We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give silver badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

I'm going to take a different tack here

#We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give tag badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.

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I'm going to take a different tack here

#We need to communicate better with users about closure

About 6 months ago Stack Overflow made the blue closure blocks. No matter how you slice it these blocks were arguably worse in many cases

We discussed this in detail a few months back. While the new closure reason is nice, it really needs to have a link to the help center page in the close reason.

Which was responded to with

The post notice currently links to the /help/closed-questions. We could replace this or add another link but we think that two links to documentaiton in a post notice is too much. So we're thinking we should just include a link to the the MRE page within the new close UX for this close reason.

The blocks are often unclear. Take this off-topic question about setting up wifi. The closure block says this

We don’t allow questions about general computing hardware and software on Stack Overflow. You can edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow.

There's two massive problems here

  1. There's no way to "edit the question so it’s on-topic for Stack Overflow". It's about hardware
  2. It no longer tells the user to ask the question on Super User or Server Fault, where it would likely be on topic.

Or take the new MCVE/MRE/minreprex message

Edit the question to include desired behavior, a specific problem or error, and the shortest code necessary to reproduce the problem. This will help others answer the question.

At which point, the link dumps them onto the main help page and expect them to figure out what to do from there. I mention all this because your #1 commits the same mistake. You have this massive EDIT button but you offer the user no guidance what to do with it. I don't know why there is an aversion to directly telling people what we expect. The page offers guidance that, if coupled with the new email notice, could guide people to edit a MRE in.

Worst of all is that you close the email with something really REALLY untrue

Deleted questions can't be answered. You can always ask a new question, though! There's no penalty for asking more questions as long as they are on-topic and answerable

There really is a question ban and it is triggered by asking too many downvoted and deleted questions. So the email is basically advising them how to get a question ban faster. Worse, if they find that FAQ entry, the first thing it tells them to do is undelete the questions (which they may not be able to do if Roomba has done it) and clean them up. They're not going to be happy, or likely to ask more questions.

#Give silver badge holders a one-shot reopen for edited questions

If we're going to have faster reopens, make it possible for people with a silver or gold badge to review the edited question for a reopen. Make it easy for them to do this (the ability already exists in the Close Vote and Reopen Queues, it's just not obvious). Toss out some badges for people who pitch in on their silver/gold reopens here. Do not let a single edit reopen. I think this point has been covered in detail.