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Jun 8, 2019 at 20:48 history edited Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 8, 2019 at 20:34 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod you know that we handle a lot of flags. There's one mishap from time to time, it happens and it's easily corrected. So I think the system works. Most of the time (99%) we don't need to expand posts to see they're bad (check my last edit to see what I mean).
Jun 8, 2019 at 20:00 comment added Ian Kemp "If they don't think they can handle full context at an OK rate, they should elect more moderators (in my opinion)." Don't come here with simple and logical solutions to problems! That is not the Stack Overflow way.
Jun 7, 2019 at 20:27 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod not saying that I always review like that. It's just that I don't always expand the post. And yes, that can lead to mistakes.
Jun 7, 2019 at 16:35 comment added Cody Gray Mod Please no hovers, though! The queue is busy enough as it is, and hovers are just awful UX anyway. Clicking through isn’t that hard, especially if you keep one hand on the keyboard to hit Control, like I do.
Jun 7, 2019 at 16:33 comment added Cody Gray Mod Alternative data point: as a moderator, I fully agree with @Tyler. I always view a flagged post in full context, as it would normally appear on the site, before rendering a decision. Occasionally, I’ll reach a conclusion before clicking through, just from the summary/preview, but even then I always verify it. It takes a few seconds more per flag, but it’s more than worth it to me. It not only gives me context, but gives me a view I’m more familiar with from regular usage of the site, increasing the odds of a correct decision. Plus, it allows me to handle other problems, like closing the Q.
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:45 comment added TylerH @MaxLanghof Perhaps a happy medium would be keeping the view they currently have, but on hover of the post or comment item, show a modal of what the post or comment looks like with full rendering/highlighting.
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:43 comment added TylerH @MaxLanghof As for your equation of 'worthless' with mind-boggling, that's really an apples-to-turkey conflation. First, yes, it is mind-boggling to me that code is shown in plaintext with no highlighting or contextual indication that it's code. That doesn't mean it's worthless, though. I think the design decision to minimize the viewing portion in order to allow for more items to be shown (and thus, ostensibly increase speed) has worth. I just think it's much less worth than providing the additional context/info I've described above.
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:42 comment added Max Langhof @TylerH Thanks, that's a very reasonable standpoint :)
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:41 comment added TylerH @MaxLanghof Well, that's not what you asked, of course, but I'd be happy to answer it -- in my experience, context is important, and doubly so when dealing with interpersonal matters. I also believe we should hold moderators to a very high standard in their actions, and I regularly urge moderators to click through and view the full context on flagged items before acting. It's my opinion that the number of mod flags is not so high that they need to sacrifice quality for speed. If they don't think they can handle full context at an OK rate, they should elect more moderators (in my opinion).
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:37 history edited Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 7, 2019 at 15:30 comment added Max Langhof @TylerH But "the value of context in making moderator decisions" is only one side of the trade-off. I was asking what led you to believe that the other side (namely the saved time/convenience) is smaller in value. You're of course free to think whatever you like, I'm just trying to see if there is something I'm missing here, because I personally don't feel qualified to judge this tradeoff due to the mentioned unknown. And no, you didn't technically say it was worthless, but you said its existence is mind-boggling - there isn't much veiling there.
Jun 7, 2019 at 15:10 comment added TylerH @MaxLanghof Note the word "personally" in my comment. You can value the tradeoff however you like, personally. One doesn't need to be a mod to make a determination on the value of context in making moderation decisions. I also never said the design choice was worthless.
Jun 7, 2019 at 14:58 comment added Max Langhof @TylerH Pardon me asking, but how can you judge whether it's a valuable tradeoff if you (from what I can tell) are not a mod and don't directly see the benefits of it? Just that something is the only source of false positives doesn't mean that it's worthless...
Jun 7, 2019 at 14:53 comment added Luuklag This is a fair trade-off. Every now and then there are false positives, no matter what we implement. Fact remains mods are (still) humans.
Jun 7, 2019 at 14:51 comment added GolezTrol Reversing a delete is easy, if this UI saves a lot of time and now and then causes a mistake like this, it's still worth it.
Jun 7, 2019 at 14:02 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod well, yes, but sometimes they sleep, and that's when problems arise.
Jun 7, 2019 at 14:00 comment added TylerH You mean to tell me Cody and Bhargav aren't hooked up to the flag queue 24/7/365 to keep the queue empty?!
Jun 7, 2019 at 13:56 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod that's because it's the only plausible excuse we have beside our incompetence :) the other being to act quickly where there are 100+ flags in the queue.
Jun 7, 2019 at 13:45 comment added TylerH I don't think that's a valuable trade-off at all, personally. Every time I see some 'oops' answer by a mod on Meta, it's because the mod flag interface didn't show enough context.
Jun 7, 2019 at 13:43 vote accept Kodiologist
Jun 7, 2019 at 13:42 history edited Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 7, 2019 at 13:41 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod it's like this to be able to show a lot of answers on the screen. Most of the time the text is enough to decide. Sometimes you have to expand. But I don't do it all the time. Yes, there has been a rework of the UI, but they kept that part almost identical for the reasons I stated.
Jun 7, 2019 at 13:40 comment added TylerH The fact that the mod flag view doesn't show posts as they appear on the main site boggles my mind. This is a no-brainer issue to fix on that end. Didn't it just get a rework, too?
Jun 7, 2019 at 12:24 history answered Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0