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To this question, I posted this answer:

The best I can come up with is

lines = readLines("http://web.archive.org/web/20190603144739id_/http://api-ak.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedCountry=fr")
lines = ifelse(validUTF8(lines), lines,
    iconv(lines, "Windows-1252", "UTF-8"))
XML::readHTMLTable(lines, stringsAsFactors = F)[[1]]

which doesn't solve the problem in general, because what if some of the text isn't in Windows-1252, either? But I think it suffices for my case.

It was deleted (by a single diamond moderator). None of the reasons on the help page seem to apply. I've admitted that it's only a partial answer, but surely it's at least a partial answer, and better than nothing.

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    To me, the text looks like a first approach that should be incorporated in the answer. What's the point of creating a self-answered question when you only have a partial answer to it? Especially when you put a bounty on it.
    – BDL
    Jun 7, 2019 at 11:45
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    @BDL I created the question first and only some days later was able to produce a partial answer. You have a point that maybe it should be an edit to the question rather than an answer, though. Jun 7, 2019 at 11:47
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    Maybe the moderator got confused with the wording and the question you used within the answer. Perhaps rephrasing to make it a clear answer and flagging it for moderator intervention can cause it to be undeleted. Jun 7, 2019 at 11:49
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    if you haven't already, mod-flag the answer and say it was incorrectly deleted (which I agree it was). I would re-write the last part as something along the lines of "which doesn't work as a general solution if the encoding is different, but it suffices for my case" first, to make it seem less like a question.
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Jun 7, 2019 at 12:03
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    FWIW, reading the full answer, I would probably have made the same decision. It doesn't look like this is the final answer OP was looking for, and he seems to be asking for more. Had I been OP, I would probably have appended this to my question instead as being a non-ideal workaround/solution for which I'd like to have a better one.
    – GolezTrol
    Jun 7, 2019 at 14:50
  • @GolezTrol It doesn't look like this is the final answer OP was looking for, and he seems to be asking for more. Thanks for the insight! I recently self-answered a question with a non-ideal solution, and the question was downvoted. Maybe this was why!
    – Super Jade
    Jun 8, 2019 at 9:04

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The answer was flagged by some user.

When I reviewed the answer, I didn't "expand" the answer, but saw it as text, just like that one

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It's a compact way of seeing answers: it allows to see more flagged posts at the same time. It also hides links, which I think is done on purpose to quickly check if the answer is link-only, for instance, like that one:

enter image description here Your answer, in this format appears roughly like this:

The best I can come up with is lines = readLines("http://web.archive.org/web/20190603144739id_/http://api-ak.wunderground.com/weatherstation/ListStations.asp?selectedCountry=fr") lines = ifelse(validUTF8(lines), lines, iconv(lines, "Windows-1252", "UTF-8")) XML::readHTMLTable(lines, stringsAsFactors = F)[1] which doesn't solve the problem in general, because what if some of the text isn't in Windows-1252, either? But I think it suffices for my case.

What does stand out in this form? not the code, but the end:

because what if some of the text isn't in Windows-1252, either? But I think it suffices for my case.

So an interrogation, and a conclusion with "I think". That plus the fact that it's self-answered (sometimes users add clarifications in answers, not in the question) made me delete your answer (and probably made the other user flag it in the first place)

I should have expanded it to see it fully. Sorry. Trigger happy. My bad.

Now, what you can do:

  • edit it to make it more "assertive" instead of interrogative: that's an answer, you need to convince others
  • next time, just flag your deleted answer with a custom flag (no need for meta yet) and if a moderator tells you to get lost declines your flag, then summon meta for a consensus.

Partial answers/workarounds are considered answers.

Of course, answer undeleted.

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    The fact that the mod flag view doesn't show posts as they appear on the main site boggles my mind. This is a no-brainer issue to fix on that end. Didn't it just get a rework, too?
    – TylerH
    Jun 7, 2019 at 13:40
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    it's like this to be able to show a lot of answers on the screen. Most of the time the text is enough to decide. Sometimes you have to expand. But I don't do it all the time. Yes, there has been a rework of the UI, but they kept that part almost identical for the reasons I stated. Jun 7, 2019 at 13:41
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    I don't think that's a valuable trade-off at all, personally. Every time I see some 'oops' answer by a mod on Meta, it's because the mod flag interface didn't show enough context.
    – TylerH
    Jun 7, 2019 at 13:45
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    that's because it's the only plausible excuse we have beside our incompetence :) the other being to act quickly where there are 100+ flags in the queue. Jun 7, 2019 at 13:56
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    You mean to tell me Cody and Bhargav aren't hooked up to the flag queue 24/7/365 to keep the queue empty?!
    – TylerH
    Jun 7, 2019 at 14:00
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    well, yes, but sometimes they sleep, and that's when problems arise. Jun 7, 2019 at 14:02
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    Reversing a delete is easy, if this UI saves a lot of time and now and then causes a mistake like this, it's still worth it.
    – GolezTrol
    Jun 7, 2019 at 14:51
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    This is a fair trade-off. Every now and then there are false positives, no matter what we implement. Fact remains mods are (still) humans.
    – Luuklag
    Jun 7, 2019 at 14:53
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    @TylerH Pardon me asking, but how can you judge whether it's a valuable tradeoff if you (from what I can tell) are not a mod and don't directly see the benefits of it? Just that something is the only source of false positives doesn't mean that it's worthless... Jun 7, 2019 at 14:58
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    @MaxLanghof Well, that's not what you asked, of course, but I'd be happy to answer it -- in my experience, context is important, and doubly so when dealing with interpersonal matters. I also believe we should hold moderators to a very high standard in their actions, and I regularly urge moderators to click through and view the full context on flagged items before acting. It's my opinion that the number of mod flags is not so high that they need to sacrifice quality for speed. If they don't think they can handle full context at an OK rate, they should elect more moderators (in my opinion).
    – TylerH
    Jun 7, 2019 at 15:41
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    @MaxLanghof Perhaps a happy medium would be keeping the view they currently have, but on hover of the post or comment item, show a modal of what the post or comment looks like with full rendering/highlighting.
    – TylerH
    Jun 7, 2019 at 15:45
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    Alternative data point: as a moderator, I fully agree with @Tyler. I always view a flagged post in full context, as it would normally appear on the site, before rendering a decision. Occasionally, I’ll reach a conclusion before clicking through, just from the summary/preview, but even then I always verify it. It takes a few seconds more per flag, but it’s more than worth it to me. It not only gives me context, but gives me a view I’m more familiar with from regular usage of the site, increasing the odds of a correct decision. Plus, it allows me to handle other problems, like closing the Q. Jun 7, 2019 at 16:33
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    Please no hovers, though! The queue is busy enough as it is, and hovers are just awful UX anyway. Clicking through isn’t that hard, especially if you keep one hand on the keyboard to hit Control, like I do. Jun 7, 2019 at 16:35
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    "If they don't think they can handle full context at an OK rate, they should elect more moderators (in my opinion)." Don't come here with simple and logical solutions to problems! That is not the Stack Overflow way.
    – Ian Kemp
    Jun 8, 2019 at 20:00
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    you know that we handle a lot of flags. There's one mishap from time to time, it happens and it's easily corrected. So I think the system works. Most of the time (99%) we don't need to expand posts to see they're bad (check my last edit to see what I mean). Jun 8, 2019 at 20:34

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