Timeline for How do we give constructive criticism to new users who have only very probably mindlessly turned to Stack Overflow?
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Jun 1, 2019 at 21:06 | comment | added | Ian Kemp | @Mike Welcome to the wasteland of good intentions and poor implementation that is Stack Overflow's review system. | |
Jun 1, 2019 at 21:05 | history | edited | Ian Kemp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
added link to screenshot of question, for posterity
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Jun 1, 2019 at 21:04 | comment | added | Ian Kemp | @JL2210 Ask and ye shall receive. | |
Jun 1, 2019 at 0:11 | comment | added | S.S. Anne | @Mike The question has been deleted. Could someone please provide a screenshot? | |
May 31, 2019 at 16:00 | review | Close votes | |||
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May 31, 2019 at 15:33 | comment | added | user10677470 | Possible duplicate of Welcome to Stack Overflow! Here's a passive-aggressive comment | |
May 31, 2019 at 15:26 | answer | added | user10677470 | timeline score: 8 | |
May 31, 2019 at 14:12 | answer | added | AnoE | timeline score: -3 | |
May 31, 2019 at 13:47 | answer | added | John Bollinger | timeline score: 4 | |
May 30, 2019 at 18:32 | comment | added | Paul | @Mike Regarding your review audit, isn't it fascinating that management wants you to be more welcoming to new users while taking a fairly pissed-off tone in review audits at mistakes made while volunteering your time for free? How about "be more welcoming to old timers and volunteers" | |
May 30, 2019 at 18:15 | history | edited | Mike | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Brief follow-up
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May 30, 2019 at 17:54 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @Mike As has been mentioned, by raising flags that get marked helpful, you get more flags to raise. If you raise every single flag you are able to and they are all rapidly marked helpful (rapid handling of flags is the norm right now), you can get to the maximum of 100 flags/day in under 11 days. Note that "100 flags/day" is actually 100 flags on posts plus 100 flags on comments, so an actual total of 200 flags/day. So, don't sweat using up your flags. if you do use them, you'll rapidly get more to use. | |
May 30, 2019 at 17:03 | comment | added | Eric Brandt | @Mike, I will routinely leave comments that explain to an OP why I'm flagging, voting to close, or what have you. Here, I'd say something like "You missed a closing parentheses. It's fine to post code to get a second set of eyes on it, but I'm voting to close this question since it was just a typo. You could delete it yourself if you want, now that you have your fix." Actually, a lot of times, I just leave a comment suggesting deleting instead of flagging or voting to close. | |
May 30, 2019 at 13:19 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading [<https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/56625/how-to-vs-how-do-i> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Search>].
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May 30, 2019 at 7:11 | comment | added | user1725145 | @Mike exactly the same reason why I gave up on reviewing. | |
May 29, 2019 at 21:55 | comment | added | Mike | I think I've sworn off reviewing already, @CraigMeier. It popped an audit at me and told me I wasn't paying attention. I was. I just disagreed. I got better things to do than be abused by a machine. SO can just live with what it gets. | |
May 29, 2019 at 21:52 | comment | added | manveti | Don't worry about flag limits; they increase over time. Pretty soon you'll find yourself running out of patience well before you run out of flags. | |
May 29, 2019 at 21:41 | comment | added | Mike | "Of course it uses your flags, that is entirely the point." If I say to you, "@TinyGiant, your hairstyle is whack," I expect a sort of strike to the perception of my manners and general usefulness; I took it upon myself to comment upon your appearance, unsolicited. However, if you asked me to do so, specifically, and (as the Review UI frequently does) thanked me for my honest opinion, I would expect that my general credibility and perception of my unruliness to remain unchanged, and my ability to make future comments, solicited or otherwise, unaffected. That's all. | |
May 29, 2019 at 21:33 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Mike Review is just an abstraction of the main site intended to allow you to focus on specific types of moderation activities. It is not meant as some kind of addition to normal moderation activities. Of course it uses your flags, that is entirely the point. Unsalvageable is not the most useful term for the action that it actually represents. Generally unsalvageable means that the community is incapable of salvaging the question and any attempt at salvaging it must come from the author of the question. Though in this case the term is entirely accurate as it would be impossible to salvage. | |
May 29, 2019 at 19:21 | comment | added | Mike | @JarrodRoberson I am finding that, for example, the Triage queue is treating "Unsalvageable" as a flag, which is problematic. It eats up my flags to use it, and the point is that they're asking me for my judgment. Of course, I'll be rate-limited if I exercise that judgment...unluckily, let's say. Everybody wins! (No, really. "Skip" is the new "Unsalvageable" for me.) | |
May 29, 2019 at 19:12 | comment | added | user10677470 | reviews queues are fundamentally broken and a waste of your time, if you do not already see why because you had to post this question, you will soon enough, you can never win regardless of what you do and this perfectly illustrations the chilling effect of this be welcoming at all costs culture. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:57 | vote | accept | Mike | ||
May 29, 2019 at 18:49 | comment | added | halfer | I don't think it is terrible if you post the "How to ask" page - it is pretty good. However, if you post it on its own, it may not be clear what part of it you want them to take note of. So, you can post a helpful comment, but if they just failed to spot something trivial, then close as typo/unrepro on its own. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:48 | answer | added | rene | timeline score: 58 | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:28 | comment | added | fbueckert | Welcoming isn't really related to curation. We have our standards, and need to maintain them. If a post doesn't meet our standards, then it doesn't belong, new user or no. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:26 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 29, 2019 at 18:22 | comment | added | user4639281 | You don't flag users (very often) you flag posts. The problem in the post was caused by a typo which makes the question off-topic and therefore the question should be closed. Flagging for closure puts the post in the close vote queue where other users can vote on whether to close it or not. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:21 | comment | added | takendarkk | Flagging a question as a typo is not "not welcoming". | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:21 | comment | added | Hans Passant | You are likely to see many more posts that are utterly useless when you review. There's no point in saying anything, just vote. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:18 | comment | added | Mike | To be clear, @TinyGiant, flagging new users is for that it okay? I guess I'm having trouble with the balance between "protect SO" and "be welcoming." Can you point me to somewhere on Meta where this has been mostly resolved? | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:16 | history | edited | Mike | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 29, 2019 at 18:15 | comment | added | user4639281 | Tell them that they missed the parent, the flag it as a typo. | |
May 29, 2019 at 18:13 | history | asked | Mike | CC BY-SA 4.0 |