Timeline for Unsupported conclusions regarding the question about the use of unit tests
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Apr 11, 2019 at 15:28 | answer | added | Jeutnarg | timeline score: 9 | |
Apr 11, 2019 at 15:06 | comment | added | Lamak | @NicolBolas 20.5% of the people are clearly choosing to use unit tests it's also incorrect. 20.5% of the people are saying that some devs do unit tests on their own, it doesn't say that they do it | |
Apr 11, 2019 at 14:49 | comment | added | ASh | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics | |
Apr 10, 2019 at 14:53 | comment | added | Ethan The Brave | @crazyloonybin Fair enough - there's an error in there somewhere, and maybe they aren't misrepresenting things intentionally in that instance. This is one of many assumptions however. I'll abstain from getting into all of them as they will, as history has shown me here, paint a target on my head for not agreeing to the hivemind. | |
Apr 10, 2019 at 14:40 | comment | added | crazyloonybin | @EthanTheBrave if you scroll down a couple of questions to Years Since Learning to Code you can see the results are separated by "All Respondents" and "Professional Developers". Seeing as they say "65% of professional developers" contribute to open source, it appears they're referencing data they're not explicitly showing. Granted, the data should be shown, but I don't think they're pushing an agenda. | |
Apr 10, 2019 at 14:32 | comment | added | Izkata | "Company" can also be misleading - my team makes extensive use of them (and I believe that's how I answered it), while most of the rest of the company does not. | |
Apr 10, 2019 at 7:17 | comment | added | Gimby | Unit tests are such magical beasts. Everyone agrees they're super important. But also assumes you can write dozens of them in literally a minute when doing the sprint planning. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 22:12 | history | edited | Wai Ha Lee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Apr 9, 2019 at 19:55 | comment | added | Ethan The Brave | @rlee827 "About 65% of professional developers on Stack Overflow contribute to open source projects once a year or more." This number includes the values for "Less than once a year" most likely to make it look like more people contribute to open source regularly than the actual number "once a year or more", around 35.5%. Why say something blatantly false when the numbers are, literally, right there? If not pushing an agenda, either they are including numbers they aren't representing, or they flipped around their own findings and presented them completely wrong. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 19:38 | comment | added | rlee827 | @EthanTheBrave would you mind elaborating a bit on what those assumptions are? | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 19:36 | comment | added | Roddy of the Frozen Peas | "It's part of our process" bears no indication of whether a developer agrees with/prefers/favors that process. It just means that the "process" said to do something and they did it. My process says I have to put javadoc comments on all my getters and setters; do I favor this practice? Heck no. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 17:45 | comment | added | Alex | @NicolBolas Then it's a subjective question of wording and interpretation of that alternative. I'm sure it is like you say, that many do it because they want to , but it could as well be that the company does not enforce it, while a majority of the developers do it, practically forcing some to do it just to fit in event though it's not stated in some "process". | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 17:41 | comment | added | Ethan The Brave | The entirety of the survey results is full of unsupported assumptions. It's clear they care more about pushing their bias than actually talking about the data. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 17:36 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Alex: "Problem is that you don't catch people in the 62% that do use unit tests but don't like it." Incorrect. Well, not entirely correct. 20.5% of the people are clearly choosing to use unit tests. They are doing it because they prefer it, not because they are being asked to. So your statement should just be about the 41.8% who are forced to do it. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 17:25 | history | edited | Alex | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Apr 9, 2019 at 15:34 | comment | added | Alex | @Makoto Then we have even more issues with the question :) | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:33 | comment | added | Makoto | I would conjecture that "unit" test is more of a colloquialism to encapsulate all forms of testing - be that unit, integration, end-to-end, manual, automated, etc - but I see your point. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:32 | comment | added | Alex | @Makoto That's not relevant, the data isn't there to support what they claim. And there are more ways to test than by unit tests. Automated system tests for example. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:24 | comment | added | Makoto | Not liking to test what code you wrote is like not taste-testing what food you cooked to be sure you didn't mistake the salt and sugar again. I cannot fathom a demographic of people who don't like to test their code. If they do identify themselves, I know whose pot luck food to avoid for the future, though. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:07 | comment | added | Alex | @NicolBolas Marginal at most I'd say. | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:03 | history | edited | Alex | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Apr 9, 2019 at 15:03 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | What about the "How are Job Satisfaction and Unit Tests Related" part? | |
Apr 9, 2019 at 15:02 | history | asked | Alex | CC BY-SA 4.0 |