Timeline for What does our long term community need? What does our long term community need to feel valued?
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Sep 4, 2018 at 17:14 | comment | added | mxmissile | I could never click the up vote arrow enough for this A. | |
Aug 29, 2018 at 4:41 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @SamHanley: I would like that too, but it ain't gonna happen. | |
Aug 27, 2018 at 20:38 | comment | added | Sam Hanley | I think this extends, too, to the way that [feature-request]s are (or more to the point, aren't) handled. I've seen case after case of good, clear, relatively straightforward Meta posts requesting a sensible feature that just go unacknowledged for months or years. I understand that not everything can be implemented at all, let alone immediately, but a process where requests are given even the most basic of acknowledgement by the powers that be would go a long way. | |
Aug 27, 2018 at 19:50 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | IKR. I made a long entry suggesting some improvements to the COC and, despite over 100 upvotes, the final version was more or less what the first draft was. | |
Aug 27, 2018 at 15:26 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Patrice: "no one said that it's a good idea, or that the implementation makes sense." They didn't make this post because they were considering doing it; they made the post because they were going to do it, period, the end. My problem is not that they did it despite criticism against the idea. It's that they did it despite many suggestions for improvements of it. I can understand ignoring "don't do it" posts. But there were plenty of "maybe make it less obnoxious" posts that elicited no commentary from anyone. And if nothing about the design was flexible, why ask for feedback at all? | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 20:11 | comment | added | Baum mit Augen Mod | "and feel like my voice wasn't worth anything" It really isn't. What does constructive criticism of a design change look like? | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 16:33 | comment | added | user3956566 | @gnat yeh I made that awful discovery also recently. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 16:05 | comment | added | Makoto | @gnat: Your study was eye-opening. Wow. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:56 | comment | added | gnat | @Patrice few days ago I asked myself same question and did a little experimenting. :) If you sort answers by oldest-first, then four of top five will look neutral-to-positive. Of course, in order to prevent noticing negative feedback one would have to stop after reading first 3 when sorted in this order (and absolutely avoid getting to 6th oldest!) and very carefully abstain of sorting by votes and active :) | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:36 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Patrice I'm certain they are reading all of this and everything that's gone before and quietly p00ping themselves. I knew something was up, but when I realised (in part) what it was it explains their panic. That and the fact it's a business and $$ matter. The site has changed, it's less so for the community and more about being a viable business (my thoughts). This ties up the community team (I do not envy them). It's a different place that they began their employment in (Catija excepted -as she's new). I don't think they know what to do. A guess. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:33 | comment | added | user3956566 | @gnat ah gotcha. Liked your mse answer btw. That's also why I link things in the meta posts, for newer or future readers who may lack context. It feels very much like repeating myself, but the context is important. .. maybe.. the people who are likely to read and vote are the same bunch of people anyway and we all know what's going on. It's hard. Too hard. And I don't know if there is a solution anymore. Sadly. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:31 | comment | added | Patrice | I mean, I am going through the answers, sorted by votes. I am at like answer 10 or 12 and so far no one said that it's a good idea, or that the implementation makes sense. How is that listening for feedback, really? :/ | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:30 | comment | added | Patrice | @Yvette honestly I couldn't do a better job than Makoto. I think a post asking for feedback for a new feature, where most of the reactions range from 'it won't help but I don't truly care' to 'i think it's bad' and yet it's still implemented after 4 days is the perfect example.... Your post says that the network listens to feedback.... It seems like they hear the feedback, they don't listen to it. The new contributor badge was a done deal when the question for feedback was posted. Whether the community agreed or not,it was coming. Is that listening? :/. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:27 | comment | added | gnat | @YvetteColomb without knowing more context less experienced readers may complain that single example is not enough to make such a big deal, like, you know, "we all make mistake, isn't it overreaction to make a big deal of it". I commented mostly to expand with more details on the part of the answer that says, "There are other instances in which community discussion is solicited, but it doesn't seem like that feedback is truly taken on board." | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:21 | comment | added | Clive | Yes it certainly feels like that @Patrice, to some degree at least | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:21 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Patrice perhaps gather up those thoughts and write an answer. Try to find tangible places that can be improved? | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:21 | comment | added | Patrice | @Clive I used it myself earlier somewhere, so I don't think I am in a position to really diss it too much lol. But it's definitely how it feels... If you're already a contributor, we have you we don't care. We'll turn heaven and Earth to make new contributors happy and make sure they stay though, no matter who we aggravate in the process... Definitely disappointing :/ | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:20 | comment | added | user3956566 | @gnat I'm a little confused by your comment. "note to readers who may feel like this funny "request for feedback" about indicator is just an isolated, one-off example"? | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:19 | comment | added | gnat | note to readers who may feel like this funny "request for feedback" about indicator is just an isolated, one-off example: my recent study of the site features change log suggests the opposite, namely that it is more like a tip of the iceberg | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:19 | comment | added | Clive | @Patrice Yeah as analogies go it’s not the best :) But I see this same thing in all walks of life, not just SO and not just my TV provider. Everyone is bothered about attracting the new customer base, not looking after the existing one (however important they are) | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:14 | comment | added | Patrice | @Clive which is fair. But for your cellphone provider, you as a user is just a user, worth as much as any other customer with the same plan. On stack, a user with experience (let's take JonSkeet, randomly) is worth more than one new user, simply because of the number of other new users it attracts | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:12 | comment | added | Clive | You get the same treatment when you ring up Sky - “but I’ve been a customer for 10 years, why can’t I get the same deal as the one you’re advertising for new customers?” It’s sad, but that’s the way of the world now. Loyalty means sod all. | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 15:04 | comment | added | Patrice | This, this, 1000 times this. We're at a point where new users are listened to by default, by the simple nature of being new. Older contributors, that were here for the summer of love (for example) aren't listened to anymore. We need more retention,sure. But what makes people come to stack in the first place? It ain't the newbies. It's the veterans. Don't alienate a big portion of your veterans to keep new users no matter what :/ | |
Aug 26, 2018 at 14:36 | history | answered | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |