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Aug 28, 2018 at 15:14 comment added Nathan Hinchey @RossAiken I like that idea! Having system generated canned responses seems potentially very helpful.
Aug 28, 2018 at 15:12 comment added Nathan Hinchey It's a tooltip... on some devices. Using title text for a tooltip is "highly problematic" for several use cases.
Aug 25, 2018 at 20:30 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
[(its = possessive, it's = "it is" or "it has". See for example <http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Its-and-It%27s>.)]
Aug 24, 2018 at 14:02 comment added Ross Aiken If it's only a tooltip that shows when a user hovers the downvote button, how would a new user be aware that that's the connotation of the button? It makes sense if you're the downvoter, but the downvotee would have no reason to go near that button. Some canned box from SO when a question goes negative ('This question has been downvoted several times. Please ensure that you have provided a [mvce] and are following all of our [rules]') could be useful here
Aug 23, 2018 at 15:44 comment added Servy @NathanHinchey Well, it is a tooltip. It shows up when you hover over it. And of course, content that's downvoted doesn't belong here, as it sits (in the eyes of the voter at least). That it was downvoted means you need to edit it into something that does belong here. Some problems with a question are fixable, some aren't. Some are easy to fix, some are hard to fix. Whether you want to take the time to fix your post, or just leave it, is your choice.
Aug 23, 2018 at 15:21 comment added Draco18s no longer trusts SE @S.L.Barth Yes, the official reason is there, but how many new users know about it?
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:53 comment added Nathan Hinchey @S.L.Barth importantly, that is not a tooltip, it's title text. I didn't know it was there until just now when you told me. Downvotes pretty much everywhere else on the web mean "this doesn't belong here". I'm not arguing against downvoting, I'm just pointing out that -- like the warning that pops up every time you downvote says -- downvotes don't convey much information.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:51 comment added S.L. Barth is on codidact.com @NathanHinchey That is how downvotes could be interpreted. But the official reason for downvote is in the downvote tooltip - "this question does not show any research effort; is unclear or not useful". That is when they should be applied, and how they should be interpreted.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:48 comment added Nathan Hinchey "Voting to close is saying that a question has a problem and needs to be improved to fix it before it can be answered." It definitely doesn't feel that way. A negative score on a question, with no comment explaining it, feels to me like it's the community saying "Don't ask this you ninny".
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:41 comment added S.L. Barth is on codidact.com One difference between close votes and comments is that a comment gives immediate feedback. CV queue is notoriously big. If we can get new users to improve their question before it enters the CV queue, that's a win for all.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:40 comment added Servy @allo If you're not voting to close when a question has problems like that then you're doing something wrong. Closure exists for questions like that. That you're opposed to closing questions that can't be answered (for reasons you haven't stated, you've just stated, without supporting it, that questions should only be commented on and not closed when they can't be answered) is a pretty big problem.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:38 comment added allo When you comment "please provide an example" (possibly with a canned comment), you do not vote to close using the comment, too. And the suggested flag should be the same: A message to the user "I do not vote to close, but please improve your question". So either you need neither the comment nor the new flag, or you could use one of them. And then such a flag would have the advantages mentioned in my answer.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:37 comment added Nicol Bolas @allo: No, it's not. If the question doesn't have an example, and cannot reasonably be answered without one, then the question ought to be closed. And if you flag such a question, then you're agreeing with that assessment.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:36 comment added Servy Voting to close is saying that a question has a problem and needs to be improved to fix it before it can be answered. That's exactly what your describing.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:35 comment added allo That's not what I meant. Voting to close is something different than voting to improve. And a snarky comment is no close vote, too.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:25 comment added Servy These have existed since day 1. They're called close votes.
Aug 23, 2018 at 14:05 history answered allo CC BY-SA 4.0