Timeline for Can we show a message that voting on meta is different for new users?
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Mar 29, 2018 at 9:47 | comment | added | James | @DavyM I know, I'm not new to the site(s). My point is, instead of being constructive and saying "I think this is holding people's hands and we should instead..blah etc" it's just rude and snide comments which are unhelpful and unwelcoming. The exact opposite to the point of such "suggestions". I wouldn't have said anything but "Hans Passant" rude comment has 16 upvotes. Not very welcoming or useful, it's not even accurate. Entirely pointless. It's not something I would expect to see in a discussion area of supposed intelligent people looking at suggestions and discussions | |
Mar 29, 2018 at 2:22 | comment | added | Davy M | @James we're not asking a person to know every in and out about how the sites work. All we ask is that a person take 5 to 10 minutes to take the tour and read through the How To Ask page. In all honesty I didn't at the start, and I asked a convoluted question hoping that someone here would fix everything for me, and it wasn't until the downvotes started coming that I read and found out why my question was too broad and unclear. Then the choice was mine: learn from my mistake, or get mad and blame SO users for my bad question. I chose to learn, and now I'm still learning and loving it. | |
Mar 28, 2018 at 23:26 | comment | added | Dexygen | Some of the comments towards the top especially are exactly why a lot of people hate StackOverflow, despite all the hot air, er, talk, over the past few years about how we're trying to make it friendlier. | |
Mar 28, 2018 at 23:14 | comment | added | James | Ahh, an interesting idea that good people can discuss about trying to help those who are not in the know. Like every single person here once was! But, I see the usual bully-like responses "you have to live under multiple layers of sedimentary and igneous rock if you have no idea how it works. Don't let the door hit them on the way out.". Did you plop into this world knowing how Stack Overflow worked? Ironically, there's a serious lacking in intelligence in someone who has the expectation that "everyone" should know how Stack Overflow and meta work. | |
Mar 28, 2018 at 14:31 | history | edited | user50049 |
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Mar 28, 2018 at 14:31 | answer | added | user50049 | timeline score: 10 | |
Mar 27, 2018 at 14:18 | comment | added | Servy | @Makyen Something being less useful than something else doesn't mean it's not constructive. Knowing that someone things a given post isn't useful is constructive, even if it's sometimes less useful to you than a more detailed description. | |
Mar 27, 2018 at 14:18 | comment | added | Davy M | @Makyen In all honesty, nearly always when I see a post getting downvoted, the asker did something that is specifically addressed in the tooltip, which are just three things: no research, not clear or not helpful. A person should be able to look at that and see of their question has shown any research (Most common issue I see), then if it is unclear (We have an entire how to ask page that will help a person evaluate the clarity of the question) then if it is useful (The how to ask page covers this too). Either way, a downvote invites introspection on the post. It is definitely constructive. | |
Mar 27, 2018 at 12:01 | answer | added | psubsee2003 | timeline score: 25 | |
Mar 27, 2018 at 9:50 | history | edited | Dimitris Fasarakis Hilliard | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Mar 27, 2018 at 6:31 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @DavyM It's criticism, but I wouldn't call downvotes with no explanation constructive. A downvote can mean too many things to be able to consider a downvote, on its own, as constructive. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 20:39 | comment | added | duplode | Related (and a good illustration of why it is tricky to make that into official advice): Can we edit/remove the arrows' tooltips on Meta? | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 14:27 | comment | added | Davy M | Besides, downvotes are never a bad thing, here or on the main site; someone cared enough about your post to indicate it's bad, so people who get upset and offended at downvotes, here or there, need to really learn that they aren a public shaming or personal attack, but rather a constructive criticism. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 14:27 | comment | added | Davy M | Downvotes on Meta are somewhat different, as they can express disagreement with the idea. However, they also can very well mean that the post is of poor quality, poorly researched, or otherwise a bad question, and is downvoted for that too. If we just make a blanket statement "Downvotes are different on Meta", many people will take that as an excuse to ignore them and not even bother considering that their question may be low quality. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 12:33 | comment | added | user202729 | Related and related. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 12:31 | comment | added | user202729 | @IamtheMostStupidPerson If they don't read them, then it's their fault. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 11:43 | comment | added | Andrew T. | @rene I don't have time either, but it'd probably be more helpful if new user is introduced with "What's Meta?" Page instead (and probably get "Informed" badge for reading that) | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 11:13 | comment | added | I am the Most Stupid Person | @rene I suggested (something like auto generated notification when they receive first meta down vote) since many of new users don't read them. When SHORT notification receive they read it... And don't don't underestimate the users who even don't read "how to ask area"... For new users this is just a site...... But when they get some answers they will understand important of this... then they will try to increase their rep... Final reasult is they ask good questions and they give good answers too.... Time is needed for many new users to understand it... | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 11:09 | comment | added | rene | I don't have time to test this but do new meta users get shown /ask/advice on their first meta question? If so, an extra paragraph there might work for the few that do read. | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 11:08 | history | edited | Just a student |
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Mar 26, 2018 at 11:06 | comment | added | rene | They fed up with SO and final result may be they go away from SO. I would call that a win but it looks like you have a different idea about that ... | |
Mar 26, 2018 at 11:04 | history | asked | I am the Most Stupid Person | CC BY-SA 3.0 |