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Oct 25, 2018 at 18:35 comment added Madhur Bhaiya After trying to unsuccessfully use the SE app for a week (even posting answers is difficult); I gave up today and uninstalled it. Using mobile website is much more smoother.
May 18, 2017 at 2:14 comment added Andy Mod @DavidFullerton I've posted the request here.
May 17, 2017 at 22:33 comment added AAM111 This answer: +137, this question: -137
May 17, 2017 at 21:53 comment added Der Kommissar @DavidFullerton "We're trying to grow beyond our current product & user base" - so, you're telling us, that fixing bugs/features/whatever's on the current app is less important than creating an alternate app with fewer features and site support in hopes that people will start miraculously understanding that it's the correct app and download it? Isn't that hoping for a bit much? Would it not have been easier to rebrand the existing SE app as SO, make SO the default site and go from there? I really don't understand what actual business motives were in this move.
May 17, 2017 at 21:15 comment added Ajean @DavidFullerton That argument would fly a lot better if people were actually saying what you way they are saying. What we're saying is what you've got now is broken, so what it needs is fixing not improving, and I've never run across anybody that thinks that fixing bugs and creating new things are mutual exclusive. Developer hours are limited, I understand that. I can even understand spending more time, percentage-wise, on new stuff than on bug fixing. But as far as I can see, the amount of time spent on fixing the bugs has been not low, but zero.
May 17, 2017 at 21:08 comment added David Fullerton Mod @Andy Yes, we can share the usage data we have on our mobile apps.
May 17, 2017 at 21:00 comment added Andy Mod @DavidFullerton, if I post a meta question asking about usage stats for the mobile apps, would you (or a member of your team), be willing to find some numbers? It would be similar to another pending data request I've posted recently: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/349204/…
May 17, 2017 at 20:55 comment added David Fullerton Mod @DavidThomas In both cases we are trying to grow beyond our current product & user base. We are listening to users, but as long as we're trying to reach a new audience we're going to sound a little deaf to people who say "Stop doing new things and just focus on improving what you've already got". Documentation missed the mark, but there's still a good problem in there that we want to tackle.
May 17, 2017 at 19:57 comment added David Thomas This topic is much like the one about whether documentation has failed, a deservedly vocal response to the disregard shown to the users of the given tools, ignoring the reported bugs, flaws and feature requests in favour of assumptions, optimism and a strange "Field of Dreams" style faith in the mantra of "if we build it, they will come." Like the documentation I also don't use the app, because the mobile site does what I need it do (barring push notifications, and that one app feature doesn't justify the download and installation).
May 17, 2017 at 18:27 comment added Jeffrey Bosboom @DavidFullerton "a few months"? How long would it have taken to just rename the SE app and see if that gets more installs? You're using this loop, getting these results, when you want to be in this one. (Images from here).
May 17, 2017 at 17:16 comment added Ajean @DavidFullerton I really really hope that what you learn from this should be that you need to fix the bugs. You are effectively ignoring some of your most important user base, which is something that the company keeps saying they don't do, but then .... they do.
May 17, 2017 at 16:26 comment added David Fullerton Mod @Andy You're right, it wasn't worth a year. There's a long, sad story here, but it was originally expected to only take a few months and... well, here we are a year later. We decided to go ahead and launch and see what we can learn, and we'll reassess from here.
May 17, 2017 at 16:01 comment added Andy Mod @DavidFullerton Look at what the users are saying on this post though. We are asking how nearly a year was justified to create a near duplicate application. We are throwing shade at that effort because we've posted bug reports that have been ignored, we've asked for more functionality, access to moderation tasks, and mobile chat all via your existing application. An application that supports the entire network. These are features your existing user base wants and bugs we have reported. Instead of focusing on that, we were given a less functional duplicate.
May 17, 2017 at 15:18 comment added Mathieu Guindon I mean I want to use the app - but I constantly have to switch back to Chrome because too many features are missing. So I end up with the app running in the background buzzing me when I get a ping, which I handle in the browser because if I handle it in the app I'll be switching to the browser anyway because the ping came from SE chat or requires me to take an action that's not implemented in the app. This makes the SO app completely redundant, at least from my perspective. Not going to run 2 apps on my phone just to get the exact same notifications I'd get with the SE app.
May 17, 2017 at 15:14 comment added Mathieu Guindon @DavidFullerton fair enough, but how do you collect usage stats on features that aren't implemented? what's the average reputation score of SE app users? do they have access to review queues? edit privs? close vote privs? trusted user privs? do they have notifications enabled? FWIW your power users are the bread & butter of this website, without them EVERYTHING falls apart. Who cares if a million 1-rep fly-by askers download the app every day? Shouldn't the users you're doing this for be the users that stick around and can/want-to help with content moderation?
May 17, 2017 at 14:30 comment added David Fullerton Mod @Mat'sMug It depends how we're defining "power users", but I don't think we'll ever be able to justify a whole mobile team on an app used only by a small number of power users. Flip it around the other way: if we had 3-4 devs to throw at problems for power users, we would not decide that their top priority was building an app. To justify native mobile apps, we have to find a bigger audience for them.
May 17, 2017 at 12:56 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod @AnderBiguri: a pager with a good rich editor, but I don't really use it find new questions to answer so the editor is under-used.
May 17, 2017 at 12:21 comment added Ander Biguri @MartijnPieters So it is a pager, not an app. Welcome to the 90s!
May 17, 2017 at 11:58 comment added Rob Mod @Braiam That's merely an implementation detail and isn't necessarily true for apps vs mobile pages in general..
May 17, 2017 at 10:43 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod I do use the app, but only so I can see notifications for messages. And recently the feed refresh has been.. hit and miss. Everything else while on the phone is done in the mobile web view (with occasional forays into the desktop view if I need to see moderator-specific stuff).
May 16, 2017 at 20:51 comment added Mathieu Guindon This. As a moderator the only thing the app is useful for is the notifications/pings. Everything else (including chat) goes through Chrome for mobile. SE/SO app should be geared toward power users, and power users already know that SO is part of SE. Fix the app's usefulness, you'll fix the app's download stats.
May 16, 2017 at 19:10 comment added Braiam Actually, the app uses the API, which uses far less data than mobile. But, I digress. The only think I miss on the app is the reopen and duplicates.
May 16, 2017 at 17:50 comment added Machavity Mod @HtmlTosin I'm saying that the app could be made out of HTML5 and do at least the same job the website does. Right now the app tries to recreate them from scratch
May 16, 2017 at 17:40 comment added Tosin Onikute Which means the app is not needed right ? They should scrap it ?
May 16, 2017 at 17:20 history answered MachavityMod CC BY-SA 3.0