Timeline for Don't care about [gender]
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Sep 23, 2016 at 14:57 | comment | added | Katie | @meagar - indeed! :) | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:50 | comment | added | user229044 Mod | @Katie When everyone is harassed equally, no one will be. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:30 | comment | added | Katie | @Pekka웃 - really enjoyed your comment above "you’re treating me like crap because I’m a girl“ complaints I’ve seen around here are best answered by „we treat everyone like crap around here“ - as someone new to SO, it really made me smile. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:10 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @meagar: I don't think we're going to agree on this :-) | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:09 | comment | added | user229044 Mod | @Cerbrus That's fine (if not somewhat tautological) and I agree that harassment is bad, but again, that isn't mutually exclusive with discussions about gender or gender-based harassment. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:07 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @meagar: No, I don't. Harassment is harassment, and should (imo) be met with 0 tolerance, regardless of the subject. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:05 | comment | added | user229044 Mod | @Cerbrus You don't think it's useful to differentiate between questions about one user being harassed because of some action they took personally, versus and entire gender being harassed because of their gender? "Discussions about harassment should be about harassment" can still stand true, independently of whether they are also discussions about gender. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:03 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @meagar: Not every use: "For the remaining (~4?) questions" < That's a 50% estimate. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 14:03 | comment | added | user229044 Mod |
@Cerbrus you are still assuming that every use of the gender tag is about harassment. It should go without saying that gender and harassment are not equivalent tags. It would be ridiculous for us to, say, make "gender" a tag synonym for "harassment".
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Sep 23, 2016 at 14:01 | comment | added | Pekka |
Cerbrus - again, gender has a tag because it’s a thing. The day religion starts becoming a thing (possibly never, for the reasons @meagar points out), it’ll get a tag because it’ll be a thing. Until then, gender gets to exist but religion doesn’t. I don’t see what problem we’re trying to solve here.
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Sep 23, 2016 at 14:00 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @Pekka웃: My point is that discussions about harassment should be about harassment. Gender doesn't matter in those cases. For the remaining (~4?) questions, I really don't see the point of having the tag around. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:59 | comment | added | Pekka | Re religion and sexuality - I’ve so far seen one complaint about religious discrimination on here in 7 years and it was nonsense. Sexual orientation-wise, I can remember no discussions at all. Gender-wise,there’s plenty. That’s why we have a tag for the latter but not for the former. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:58 | comment | added | Pekka | Cerbrus - It does matter as long as other users behave differently to you based on the gender they assume you to be. Don’t get me wrong: I think we’re overall, mostly a pretty clean, cool place for users of all genders, and a good number of the „you’re treating me like crap because I’m a girl“ complaints I’ve seen around here are best answered by „we treat everyone like crap around here“. Still, to pretend it is not an issue at all, or to suggest we shouldn’t discuss the topic here? I don’t follow your line of thought here | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:58 | comment | added | user229044 Mod | @Cerbrus Gender, religion and sexuality simply are not equivalent, you can't keep referring to the lack of the other two to justify removal of the first. In general, nobody can tell your sexuality or religion based on your name or profile photo. Obviously there are exceptions, but I think we can agree that in general this is true. However, using you real name or a photo is enough for people to make immediate assumptions about your gender, which can influence their behavior towards you. This (again, generally) doesn't happen with religion or sexuality. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:48 | comment | added | Pekka | *ignorant, not irrelevant. Edited. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:46 | comment | added | Pekka | @GillBates absolutely. Imagine a complaint on SO being ignorant of some gender-related issue; insulting female users; using gender-exclusive language; and many more. In that situation, being able to point to previous discussion is vital. Or imagine someone considering raising the issue for some reason, but doing research first. Why should we take away the #1 tool to discover other discussions about the topic? That seems insane. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:45 | history | edited | Pekka | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Sep 23, 2016 at 13:45 | comment | added | Hatted Rooster | But do you really want to "search for purposes of research" the gender tag? | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:45 | comment | added | Cerbrus | And why is that? Why has no-one felt the need to ask "Measuring the participation of religious people on Stack Overflow"? Because religion, like gender, is irrelevant on SO. I think that the fact the tag exists acts as validation for people debating whether or not to ask about it. | |
Sep 23, 2016 at 13:44 | history | answered | Pekka | CC BY-SA 3.0 |