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Jan 19, 2020 at 5:02 comment added itwasntme @Qix yeah very very close to 100%. But now, after years, we still fall into such situations. Regardless if commercial or not, many posted questions are being correctly named and described but in the end they comes from the lack of understanding of the tools being in use. I believe the commercial user actually spends some time on research and investigating the issue, if he doesn't than just assume he gets less in his pocket. Regardless it all, I think all the questions showing major lack of understanding should be closed and later completely deleted.
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Jul 21, 2014 at 21:41 comment added Qix - MONICA WAS MISTREATED the personalized attention equates to actual dollars in their pocket while we work for free Nailed it.
Jun 9, 2014 at 14:12 vote accept Benjamin Gruenbaum
Jun 6, 2014 at 20:35 comment added Shog9 Discussing this proposal here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/258685/…
Jun 5, 2014 at 15:58 comment added John Nicholas look at my questions on akka for instance. I dont have a flaming clue what im doing, yet have seriously put effort into trying. Looking back at them they are nonsense garble - but only because i dont understand the docs and have noone in the know to guide me.
Jun 3, 2014 at 0:45 comment added Bernhard Barker @jmac But I see "lacks sufficient information" as factually inaccurate - we shouldn't have to, and I very rarely do, but I'm often perfectly capable of copying the code in the question into an IDE (and writing the surrounding code, in some cases) and testing it to see the error, or reading the code in-depth to find the problem, so there is, strictly speaking, sufficient information. I see some merit in pointing out why the problem is a problem, but I see more merit in giving detailed advice regarding how to fix it (a rules-are-rules-deal-with-it mindset, providing more details in the help center).
Jun 3, 2014 at 0:25 comment added jmac Sorry @Duke, copy means content wording in publishing. I'm saying the concept is good, the way it's written could use some improvement (it isn't very direct). We should be clear about what we want (a way to understand the problem) and ask people to include things like errors, mcve's, desired behavior, etc. as means to that end. That's why I like the current reason -- it is clear that we don't have enough info. What could be improved is pointing out what types of info may be helpful. A list of requirements not so much.
Jun 3, 2014 at 0:21 comment added Bernhard Barker @jmac Well, you should attempt to make it useful (you could have a very useful question hidden there somewhere, but it's no use if you fill the code with inapplicable things), but I guess that part is covered under #1, at least to some extent (not sure what you mean by "the copy isn't").
Jun 3, 2014 at 0:16 comment added jmac @Dukeling, at least on The Workplace I only have 400 characters to use. Maybe SO is special? The current suggested copy to me is pretty unclear since it mentions a bunch of things: (1) attempt to provide an mcve, (2) describe actual, desired behavior and troubleshooting attempts, (3) be useful to future visitors. (1) and (2) are good, but the copy isn't, (3) is problematic since it requires us to be oracles.
Jun 3, 2014 at 0:11 comment added Bernhard Barker @jmac Are you sure? The text box allows for 500. If the limit is indeed 400, I'd rather try to shorten mine than just making a minor change to the reason we're not really happy with, e.g.: Questions asking why code isn't working should show an attempt to reduce the code to [the shortest program that reproduces the problem](http://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve), clearly describe the actual and desired behaviour (including any error messages, if applicable), describe the troubleshooting steps taken thus far (including attempts at debugging the code) and be useful to future visitors.
Jun 2, 2014 at 23:43 comment added jmac @Cody, custom close reasons have a character limit of 400 characters. The example reason here is 484, so it needs to be chopped down a bit. How about: "This question appears to be off-topic because it lacks sufficient information to diagnose the problem. Describe your problem in more detail (desired behavior, actual behavior, error messages, troubleshooting/debugging attempts) and/or include a minimal example in the question itself."
Jun 2, 2014 at 19:17 comment added Bernhard Barker @Basic If we need to explain all the basic elements of the technology, that's definitely too broad. If we don't know whether we should, that's unclear (as the question is stated, OP might know how to do each part and is just struggling to put it together, or they know so little that they wouldn't be able to tell PHP code from assembler). I'm not saying these reasons are ideal (they possibly leave OP confused), but since SE doesn't want us to close questions just because they lack research effort, they're probably not going to give us a better reason for these types of questions.
Jun 2, 2014 at 19:03 comment added Basic @Dukeling The problem is, we do know what the OP knows... Too little to be able to Google an example or understand rudimentary code (let alone what debugging is!). I try to bear in mind the Four stages of competence and be aware of areas where I'm in stage #4, but sometimes I think the answer really should be "Read a website (or book) to learn the most basic elements of the technology you're using". I don't mean the minimum to code well, just the minimum to be able to read simple code, declare a variable, call a method, etc...
Jun 2, 2014 at 18:49 comment added Bernhard Barker @Basic Too broad. Possibly too many parts, probably too many ways to do different parts, definitely too much explanation required given that we don't know what OP knows.
Jun 2, 2014 at 18:19 comment added Basic How would you deal with this Q... stackoverflow.com/q/23994754/156755 ?
Jun 1, 2014 at 9:12 comment added Cody Gray Mod @immibis I'm assuming that was tongue-in-cheek. :-) But it is worth emphasizing anyway that your proposed phrasing suffers from the same problem as the current phrasing. Rather than coming right out and stating what the problem is, it dances around the problem. Hans Passant has referred to this as a "weasel words" problem; I think that's accurate. We need to lead with the most important problem with the question: there is no minimal example given that demonstrates the issue. Not only is that clearer, it is also actionable. It gives us a prayer the asker might be able to fix the problem.
Jun 1, 2014 at 8:33 comment added Paul A major problem. People posting the low grade, fix-my-big-ugly-ball-of-mud-code-for-free questions often can't, or won't, search or abstract from prior examples. Let's face it, if the OP is having trouble with fooBar(xyzzy,b[28]) and there is a previous answer about fooBar(baz,True) or maybe the OP has a for loop, and the canonical example is using while, they'd rather have their question answered than be asked to read, think, take time, and maybe still get it wrong. If it is a commercial user, the personalized attention equates to actual dollars in their pocket while we work for free
Jun 1, 2014 at 7:12 comment added Criticizing Israel not allowed @CodyGray "this question contains too much or too little information to diagnose the problem"?
Jun 1, 2014 at 2:10 history edited Bernhard Barker CC BY-SA 3.0
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Jun 1, 2014 at 2:09 comment added Cody Gray Mod If we can ever convince the community team that this is a good idea, they will probably complain that it's slightly too long. People won't read all of it. But I guess we can cross the bridge of shortening it when we come to it.
Jun 1, 2014 at 2:09 comment added Cody Gray Mod I like this. I think this is what the "off topic -> insufficient information to diagnose the problem" close reason should say. Then it would apply not only to questions with insufficient information, but also questions that dump tons of code with no evident attempt to debug it. You can't with good conscience close those as lacking sufficient information, but they certainly need to be closed.
Jun 1, 2014 at 2:02 history answered Bernhard Barker CC BY-SA 3.0