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I recently came across the tag being used, and upon checking it out I noticed it had no description, and only few questions (65 as of time of writing). While adding nothing to the post.

Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?

No, the tag is not unambiguous and doesn't say much about the contents of the question. It is used in different contexts including:

  • writing to files (txt, pdf etc)
  • writing to CLI
  • commands called 'Write'

Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

In most cases the tag does seem to be used in combination with writing to a file from a given programming language.

Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

Definitely not. Just from seeing the tag you have no clue what the poster wants. What does poster want to write to? A file, variable, memory address, book, poem? For most writing operations there are already specific tags in place such as that would give way more information

Does it mean the same thing in all common contexts?

I don't think so, although most seem to be about file writing it is also common in programming for just "write" to mean writing to memory, lists/dictionary's (or other variables) or console outputs.

Alternatively there is also the (still ambiguous) (327 questions), so maybe a merge or synonym works better.

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    Since there is no read tag, there shouldn't be a write tag either.
    – holydragon
    Commented Jul 14, 2020 at 8:36
  • There is read-write though, but that is more about file accessibility rather than file operation
    – Remy
    Commented Jul 14, 2020 at 8:49
  • We also have file-writing, which appears to be about writing files in general. Plenty of tags about writing files.
    – Erik A
    Commented Jul 14, 2020 at 9:44
  • Why don't we just make write a synonym of read-write? @Remy - I think file-writing needs to be a synonym of this tag too. That said, the tag itself is somewhat problematic, even wikipedia has reservations on how unambigous it is. Which leads us to a question - should a formal burnination procedure be started for it as well?
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jul 20, 2020 at 9:41
  • Stumbled upon this tag today, [write] has 288 questions, [writing] 352 and [read-write] 564. IMO these 3 tags are meta-tags and don't really help specifying a question. So they should be trashed..
    – Lino
    Commented Apr 1, 2021 at 11:58
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    We should remove both write and writing at the same time.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 14:44
  • @Dharman that should be an answer so we can vote on it. Can we merge write into writing and then burn just one? Commented May 13, 2022 at 18:24
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    We probably could, but it might be easier to do a dual burn for the sake of tracking and whatnot. I always thought burns were single-tag only though, not sure if there's more steps or something if we burn several at once. Doesn't really matter anyway. If we don't do writing now, we'll do that next Commented May 13, 2022 at 18:26
  • What tag should we use instead for questions about the write syscall? Commented May 13, 2022 at 21:22
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    @JosephSible-ReinstateMonica do you have a specific language/OS in mind? If the call doesn't have a more distinctive name than write (APIs usually have dozens of these with slightly different names) that give direct hits in search, then creating a language specific tag for the function is the best choice e.g.: write-unix
    – bad_coder
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 21:28
  • @bad_coder In C, it really is just called write. Commented May 13, 2022 at 21:35
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    @JosephSible-ReinstateMonica I know what it's called in C. Depending how well a tag is organized you could combo it with a language tag, like c+ write, but write is too general an operation and ends up working like a magnet for off-topic and erroneous tagging (anything vaguely about writing is likely to be tagged with write - see writing that's also being considered for burnination). In such cases separating it is better see variadic-macros for an example.
    – bad_coder
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 21:51
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    Then how about save? To me it sounds like it has the same meaning as write. Commented May 13, 2022 at 22:19
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    @CrisLuengo Requested elsewhere, and far too big to do now. A 9k burnination is far too big for the current user volume, especially when there's also a substantial backlog of burninations in need of attention. We'll revisit save in the future Commented May 13, 2022 at 22:24
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    @JosephSible-ReinstateMonica: Do we need a tag about the write(2) system call? I'd guess most of what makes it interesting is what kind of file you're writing to, most of which would also apply to pwrite(2) (on seekable files) or writev(2) (gather IO). OTOH, it could be hard to search for questions about using it if "write" just appears in the text, since it's a common English word that appears in 2.5 million SO posts, very few of them about Linux / POSIX write. Commented May 15, 2022 at 20:38

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and have been burninated.

trogdor

Thanks to everyone who participated.

Observations/Retag Guidance:

Note that we're burning two tags: and . They have mostly identical question buildups, and currently don't need separate advice. Feel free to edit this answer if that changes, or edit with other observations.

  • A number of questions relate to specific classes/functions for writing; examples include , , , and . We don't need to create additional tags for uncovered APIs, but if they exist, using them may be appropriate.
    • The POSIX' write() function is present in a number of these posts; if we need a tag beyond , , or another contextually appropriate tag, is the better name for a tag. That tag does not currently exist, and it's somewhat undecided whether such a tag is needed in the first place.
    • In most cases, however, a simple language tag will suffice.

Progress:

The and tags are in the process of being burninated. You can help out by reviewing the questions with these tags, and...

  • editing questions to improve the question and remove these tags (retag-only edits are best left to users with full edit privileges; i.e. > 2k reputation),
  • flagging/voting to close questions that are duplicates/off-topic/unclear/too broad/opinion-based (users with < 3k reputation can help quite a bit by flagging questions for closure, which helps keep the Close Vote Review Queue full),
  • filtering for questions with this tag in the Close Vote Queue,
  • voting on questions with this tag,
  • voting to delete the questions with this tag (after they have been closed, and only if the entire Q&A contains nothing of value). However, keep in mind that at the end of the burnination process all closed questions containing this tag will be deleted semi-automatically. Thus, there's rarely a need to vote to delete these questions.

Here are some quick links to get you started:

Track the progress of burnination

Remember that burnination is a clean-up effort!

Salvage whatever possible by editing and re-tagging.

We don't want to destroy value, so salvaging a post should be your first priority. If a question can be saved, please edit it. Your edit should improve all problems with the question and remove the and/or tags, possibly replacing it with another tag, as described above in "Observations/Retag Guidance". (Edits, specially re-tags, are best left to users with full edit privileges)

Unsalvageable questions should just be flagged/voted for closure. They don't need to be retagged.

If the question is not appropriate for this site, then don't worry about removing the and/or tags—just flag/vote to close the question.

At the end of the burnination process, all questions which still have the and/or tags should have been closed. These will be mass-deleted, which will remove these tags from the system automatically, with minimal disruption.

Ask for help if you need it.

If you have any questions about specific questions you come across, or the process in general, please feel free to leave a comment on this post. You can also drop into the SOCVR chat room for real-time advice and discussion.

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  • Are duplicates also deleted? I.e. can I dupe hammer questions but leave the tag? And are questions deleted regardless if they have positivley scored answers
    – Lino
    Commented May 16, 2022 at 7:35
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    Yes to all three questions. Exceptions always apply, and that's assessed on a per-case basis when deletion is considered. Commented May 16, 2022 at 8:12
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Yes, we should eliminate the tag. It provides no useful information beyond the more specific tags indicating where or how one is writing.

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  • The tag usage says it's supposed to be about the POSIX write(int fd, void *buf, size_t len) system call, and has said that since a month after tag creation in Oct 2020 (stackoverflow.com/posts/64310036/revisions), surprisingly after this meta question was posted. I guess it got untagged at the time and then re-created, hence lack of mention of that meaning in the question and comments? That's not something we really need a tag for anyway, and will get mis-tagged as a common English word, so +1 it doesn't add information. Commented May 15, 2022 at 20:33
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    @PeterCordes - perhaps posix-write would be a better name for such a tag? Commented May 15, 2022 at 21:09
  • Wouldn't that kinda be covered by a general POSIX tag? Like posix or linux, depending on the context Commented May 15, 2022 at 21:12
  • @ZoestandswithUkraine: I'd tend to agree; write itself is fairly simple, what makes it interesting is what kind of file descriptor you're reading/writing (e.g. a TTY, or one opened with O_APPEND so writes go to the end even after lseek). Perhaps a better tag would cover POSIX I/O with unistd.h functions in general, like read and write. The one argument I could see for having a tag like posix-write is that if you do have a question specific to it (e.g. what happens if length is past the end of a page in buf, or size limits), it's hard to search because 2.5M questions have write Commented May 15, 2022 at 21:21
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Yes, we should eliminate the tag. It is essentially the same thing as . It provides no useful information beyond the more specific tags indicating where or how one is writing.

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    Did you mean to double-post here?
    – Nick ODell
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 20:44
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    @NickODell It's a form of poll; one is for showing support for burning [writing], the other for burning [write]. If there's no opposition, we're taking out both. Could definitely be clearer, though Commented May 13, 2022 at 20:47
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    "Can you be an expert in writing?" Yes, but not on Stack Overflow.
    – user17242583
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 20:51
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    Because both tags summed have under 1k Qs I wouldn't mind burninating them together. Above that (say 1k or 1.5k) I do think it's better to burninante separately.
    – bad_coder
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 21:07
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    @richardec based on the lengthy posts written by some of our esteemed moderators, I think you can be an expert in writing on SO. ;) Commented May 14, 2022 at 15:50
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    Hah, I guess you're write! But then it's a meta tag. ;)
    – user17242583
    Commented May 14, 2022 at 15:51

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