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I have noticed that when it comes to reviewing flags for answers from high reputation users, moderators are afraid to remove them.

They either decline them (I flagged it as a link only and got: "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it", which sounds strange), or completely ignore them, but in almost a week no one has had the courage to do something with it.

So are moderators really afraid of dealing with high-rep users, and if it is the case, what can be changed to mitigate this problem?

I flagged that last one as a joke, because based on my point of view, answers are not a place for jokes, and if someone thinks that Stack Overflow cannot survive without a fun part, he can add it as a comment.

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    Show me a few legitimate flags on posts from high-rep users, and I'll show you how afraid I am.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:35
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    I can say that I don't look at the rep of the user on the answer when I make a decision about what to do.
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:37
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    @ChrisF A non-answer like stackoverflow.com/a/5915167 shouldn't need to be flagged twice. Yes, technically you can say that it's a wrong answer, but come on, it's disruptive, useless, and even the author acknowledges that it isn't actually meant to be an answer. Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:40
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    "in almost a week no one had a courage to do something with it" - For the record, there are currently 500+ flags in the queue, many of which have been there longer than yours. Courage has nothing to do with it.
    – Michael Myers Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:41
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    @ChrisF We hate fun, so we better delete it!
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:43
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    @ChrisF my question is why should people flag useless answer twice? Does flagging once is not enough to realize that a joke is not good enough to be an answer? This answer shows a bad example. Someone can see that he can get 100 upvotes with a joke and he might try to make more jokes here. Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:43
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    @MichaelMyers I think at least a hundred of those flags are the fault of me and a few friends... shhhhh ...
    – user456814
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:43
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    Far more than 100, @Cupcake. You are killing us!
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:45
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    I don't think it's fear of high rep users so much as the fact that there are some old off-topic questions and answers that are highly upvoted and doing no harm, so they are not priority for cleanup.
    – eddie_cat
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:47
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    @bluefeet everyone should be glad that I only get 100 flags to use per day :P
    – user456814
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:48
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    The XKCD one actually makes a good point. That answer is pretty old, and several moderators have already looked at it. What has changed that it now requires forcible removal by a mod?
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:54
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    @Cupcake Yes, but so do the rest of us. :)
    – tchrist
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:58
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    @RobertHarvey I do not think that it is good enough to be qualified as an answer. XKCD has more than a few thousand comics that most make some sense in terms of programming. And I highly doubt you would like to see them as answers. Such answers invite new users to answer in a similar way, and therefore I think jokes are suited as comments, not an answers. Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 21:59
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    It doesn't have to be stellar, it just has to be an answer. Compare stackoverflow.com/a/1732454
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:00
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    If it makes you feel better, a good portion of those hundreds of flags @Cupcake mentioned are on posts by high-rep users. And we've deleted the vast majority of them.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 4:35

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First off, don't ask questions in flags:

How can this joke be here as a real answer?

...not even rhetorical ones. If an answer is a joke, please just say "this answer is a joke" or better yet "this is a joke answer which does nothing to help anyone solve a real problem and may confuse casual readers". Your flag might still be declined if the moderator disagrees, but at least it doesn't appear that you're expecting a reply rather than describing a real problem. And yes, folks frequently do try to ask questions via flags. No, it never ends well.

Beyond that, I suspect you're confusing two different things: high rep authors and high-scoring posts. In my opinion, moderators should be a bit reluctant to remove the latter - and when they do, they should do so because the flagged post presents a clear problem that cannot be resolved any other way. Remember, you're asking them to stand up to people who by voting asked the moderator to represent their interests and say, "upvotes aside, it is not in your best interest for this post to remain visible on the site".

Oh yeah - and it is the moderators who'll have to say that. You won't. Your name won't appear anywhere on the post; as a flagger, your participation is anonymous to everyone involved except for the moderators. The responsibility for deleting something with craploads of upvotes falls solely on their shoulders, and if they get it wrong "some random guy flagged it" ain't gonna cut it as an explanation.

So what can you change? First off, vote! You know, those up and down arrows next to the posts you're flagging. They matter. Then, earn the privilege to delete stuff yourself, and use it wisely - be willing to back up your actions if called on them, going out of your way to justify them. Finally, if you're really serious about this... Put your money where your mouth is and nominate yourself in the next election.

In other words, if you don't like how the moderators handle things, then be prepared to handle them yourself. As a moderator would, not as an anonymous flagger.

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    Thank you for amazing answer. It handles everything: - shows what I have done wrong, how should I do it better, why moderators might be reluctant and makes me feel in their skin. Thank you for this work. Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:07
  • Why are the moderators being so strict with quality related flags recently? -- wonder if these considerations still apply
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 8:26
  • Not really, @gnat. For flags like VLQ (must be obvious trash) or NAA (must clearly make no attempt to answer the question) this applies, but the outcome of "other" is entirely up to the moderator handling it - the rule there is always simply, "have a real problem, communicate it effectively".
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 16:00
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I declined the flag on this answer, which consists of:

Use frozenset inside.

I declined it because you flagged it as "link only answer" but according to the guidelines laid out in Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?, that is (just barely) an answer, so we shouldn't delete it.

See, this is an answer:

You probably want a FileOutputStream

So no, I didn't decline the flag because I fear high-rep users. (I didn't notice the user's reputation, and I honestly don't know who that is. We don't post in the same tags often.)

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    I clearly remember that I flagged it as other and add a description: link only answer. I have not found anything better in the popup. Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:03
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    @SalvadorDali You're right, you did flag it as "link only answer." I'll edit my reply.
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:04
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    Thanks for the edit, @ChrisF. I don't want Cupcake flagging me!
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:13
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    For Chris sake, what Cupcake has been doing that mods are afraid?!
    – brasofilo
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:32
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    Contributing to the onset of flag diabetes, @bras
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 22:42
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    Piling up more work for the already overworked mods @braso. Mods have stopped eating cupcakes now. Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 5:08
  • @Shog: 100 flags per day are too less. We want more! :) Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 5:11
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    @InfiniteRecursion you know what they say, "Mo cakes, mo problems." No more flags though please...I might never stop. I still need to bake in the oven at least once a day, you know. Helps keep me nice and fresh in the morning.
    – user456814
    Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 5:12
  • Is it acceptable to convert answers like that to a comment? Commented Aug 21, 2014 at 6:36
  • @thefourtheye No, not if it's an answer.
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Aug 21, 2014 at 11:59

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