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I am looking for voting statistics on the answers to questions that are:

  1. Quickly closed (within 1 hour after posting)
  2. Have a single answer
  3. Aren't eligible for "roomba deletion" only because of having an accepted answer
    side note this excludes dupe-closed questions, as roomba ignores these

I would like to learn how many questions like above are there (including deleted by moderators or by 10Kers) and how many upvotes on answers were cast by users other than the asker.

The reason why I ask is that I want to understand how much of a "measurable" value is provided by these answers for users (other than asker and answerer, who apparently benefit from accepting by getting +2 and +15 rep). If it turns out that there are lots of upvotes, I'll likely edit or comment that roomba post explaining that exclusion of questions with accepted answers is well justified. If there are too little, I'll likely start a crusade to get rid of questions like that. Anything in between is gray area, I want to decide on it after I learn the data.

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  • Did you try running an SEDE query?
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 16:58
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    @RobertHarvey SEDE doesn't cover deleted posts. and of course, it won't tell which upvotes are cast by asker - only developers can access this
    – gnat
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 16:59
  • What? "Aren't eligible for roomba deletion."
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:00
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    @RobertHarvey Hmm... is it not the case that mere mortals can't run a query to check "how many upvotes on answers were cast by users other than asker"? Otherwise, vote anonymity would be out the window, no?
    – Louis
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:00
  • @Louis: Why would you need to know that? "only because of having an accepted answer"
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:01
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    @RobertHarvey I explained why I want this: how much of a "measurable" value is provided by these answers for users (other than asker and answerer, who apparently benefit from accept by getting +2 and +15 rep).
    – gnat
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:02
  • Yeah, I'm lost. I have no idea what you're asking. Offhand, I'd say that whatever correlation you're trying to find does not exist.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:03
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    @RobertHarvey what is that you don't understand? Upvotes cast by asker are not interesting (for about the same reasons why their accept ain't interesting - this all is strictly between asker and answerer), I want to learn about upvotes cast by other answer readers
    – gnat
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:04
  • Find posts that have more than one upvote. By definition, that upvote is going to come from somewhere else besides the OP. I don't consider single-voted posts statistically significant anyway. We don't make any decision on SE on the basis of a single upvote or downvote.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:05
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    @RobertHarvey roomba deletion kicks in by criteria laid out in the linked post: Closed more than 9 days ago Not closed as a duplicate Score <= 0 Not locked No answers with a score > 0 No accepted answer No pending reopen votes No edits in the past 9 days
    – gnat
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:07
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    Why do you judge? It's useful because a 5k member wants to see the data.
    – Gayot Fow
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:12
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    @RobertHarvey if there are lots of upvotes, I'll likely edit or comment that roomba post explaining that exclusion of accepted answers is well justified. If there are too little, I'll likely start a crusade to get rid of questions like that. Anything in between is gray area, I want to decide on it after I learn the data
    – gnat
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:13
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    @gnat: Thanks. Put that in your question.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:13
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    On the topic of usefulness, I'd think answers that were downvoted by the community and yet were accepted by the asker are stronger evidence that acceptance was done out of desperation. The question currently asks about "how many upvotes", but I'd suggest that the measure to examine should be the question score, after excluding any votes from the asker. (In my mind, "how many upvotes" means counting only the +1 votes.)
    – Louis
    Commented May 14, 2014 at 17:19
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    stackoverflow.com/q/31357640/1768232
    – durron597
    Commented Jul 18, 2015 at 17:34

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Let's grab a sample of questions closed between 30 and 60 days ago. That oughta include most of what you're talking about. On Stack Overflow, there are 21118 of these, including deleted.

Ok, now let's look at the ones that weren't deleted by Community, were closed within 1 hour of creation, and currently score <= 0:

  • 2983 questions
  • 1092 deleted
  • 943 with at least one answer (includes deleted)
  • 2234 closed as duplicates (yes, some duplicates are also answered and/or deleted)

Right. Now, you're interested in the ones with answers.

  • 187 of these questions are not closed as duplicates
  • 37 are deleted
  • 122 have at least one answer scoring > 0
  • 83 have an accepted answer
  • 107 have at least one answer that would score > 0 even without the asker's vote.

If you're interested in more details on this, you might as well use SEDE - there aren't really that many of these, and hence I'm not going to risk exposing asker votes by breaking this down any further.

My take-away here is that the Roomba can be substantially improved by careful targeting of duplicates, but going after answered (in a sense, upvoted or accepted) questions is probably not worth the risk.

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  • If this is the case, then I think that it may be ill-advised to modify roomba to specifically target duplicate posts. The duplicates serve to improve google searches overall. If the voting and overall activity of these posts is low, I do not see the benefit of targeting them as a pattern. On the other hand, perhaps you could explain what "careful targeting" would entail, and what steps would be taken to ensure useful signpost duplicates would be retained? Or why they are not useful at all if that is the case.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 29, 2015 at 5:06
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    as you say, dups are useful as signposts... So if they're not getting any views...
    – Shog9
    Commented Apr 29, 2015 at 5:25
  • I am confused, can you help? I just can't see see how SEDE may be of help here, as I ask about who voted ("how many upvotes on answers were cast by users other than asker") - this is not in data dump (and I hope will never be there:). As for keeping "answered" questions, you probably meant to write something else, because roomba deletes these for a few years now, it only keeps when answers have positive score. Guess it's too late to worry about the risk regarding these :)
    – gnat
    Commented Apr 29, 2015 at 10:29
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    I'm going by the Stack Exchange definition of "answered", @gnat: upvoted or accepted.
    – Shog9
    Commented Apr 29, 2015 at 17:44
  • @Shog9 - When you replied I upvoted your comment as it made perfect sense. However, thinking back on it, I wonder if it is not a side affect of the duplicate process for the signpost to have low views. If you google for a question and your search would have matched the duplicate, the google search instead shows the parent (open question) in the results. However, the result was only reached due to the child (closed duplicate) question which receives no views if the parent is visited, even though it was the reason for the search result.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 15:09
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    @Shog9 - Here is an example of this happening. The question here talks about opening a duplicate on purpose, and one of the answers shows that the signpost is being found in the results, but the link in the results goes to the parent (open question).
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 15:16
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    I'm not even a little bit worried about dups that redirect, @travis - they have a very low cost for even small potential benefit.
    – Shog9
    Commented Apr 30, 2015 at 15:56
  • there may be not that many "desperate accepts" but as I recently learned, their immunity to deletion possibly inspires some folks to intentional abuse by making a convenient bootstrap for the fraud: Voting rings - how to handle organized groups upvoting each other?
    – gnat
    Commented Apr 30, 2016 at 20:16

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