*I posted this as a question, but it was mod-deleted, and I was directed here.* # TL DR **1.** Why are you seeking our input now? **2.** What do you consider our role and the level of importance of such for the continuation of the site? **3.** Does it matter to you that people on here are devastated? **4.** ... That people feel discarded and unappreciated? **5.** How are you going to make the business model mix with a community driven model? ---------- # Meta is supposedly a teeny minority, so why come to us now? It was [pointed out][2] in no uncertain terms, by your company that meta is insignificant, in terms of the traffic/participation on the site. > there are Millions of users on Stack Overflow whose needs aren't being met because in the past we've spent so much time on Meta which has .015% of Stack Overflow's active users and is not representative of the community as a whole. **1.** Given this, why are **you** seeking our input now? **2.** Rather, what do **you** consider our role and the level of importance of such for the continuation of the site? # Mistrust for the company, are you willing to remedy this? If so, How? I have long held a mistrust for the business side of Stack Overflow. I have been fully aware that it's a business and, by definition, needs to make money. [I gave up the illusion that the community has control some time ago][3]. Which is why I have been impatient with people rallying against the business, as I know the business will ultimately do what it believes to be in its own interest and will only include "us" - the community - if it's in the business' interest to do so. Call me a cynic, I call it realism. [![enter image description here][4]][4] ### Bear with me, this is leading somewhere.... To back up a bit. Many years ago - maybe 8? I was not happy on this site. I came across two people. [Tim Post][5] and [Shog][6]. These two men gave me a tremendous amount of hope for this site. They are highly intelligent and have unique ways of grasping this community and how it works and what it (we) need. It is solely because of these two people that I stayed on the site. Well, left and came back. I spent many years working on the site, getting to know people and being part of a real community. A community that mattered. I took a break last year and a few weeks into the break all hell broke loose and four months later the site is no longer identifiable. The fallout on this has forced many people to leave parts of the network or the network completely and I suspect you probably want some people to leave, but you've lost a lot of wheat with the chaff. Now Shog has gone. A lot of the moderators have gone, I'm feeling even more grief than I did when I wrote https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387651/the-world-is-big-and-i-am-so-small-what-are-the-implications-for-our-meta-commu. The thought of going back to the mod room without Jon C, Robert H, Ed, George, Madara and Shog is unbearable. You have **NO** idea how much these men gave to the network. **NO IDEA.** Shog went above and beyond! The number of chats and time he gave on weekends and late into the night. Always helpful, always kind. He would call it like he saw it, but he was never nasty. So on top of these great mods you've lost the **best Community Manager Stack Overflow ever had**. Now Shog "leaves" the network, suddenly. Sudden and shrouded in mystery, unlike [Jon Ericson's resignation announcement][9]. It breeds suspicion and mistrust. Even writing this, I'm wondering, will this affect my chances of being reinstated as a moderator. It's really not a nice atmosphere. From an email from [Robert Harvey][10] (yes I have his permission to post) > I think the thing that hurts the most is that none of my contributions seem to have had any value to them. I spent endless hours toiling on Stack Overflow, working with the corporation on quality issues, shepherding the scope of Not Programming Related into the site that it is today. And that all gets swept under the rug because I've said a few things on Meta in the past month that they didn't want to hear. This breaks my heart! Your business has hurt us! It has caused people to shed tears! **3.** Does it matter to **you** that people on here are devastated? **4.** That people feel discarded and unappreciated? Even writing this, I cannot reconcile how even if you do care how that fits into a corporate structure of making a bottom line. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ # Your business and our community are a bit like water and oil - they don't mix. The irony of the welcoming push and zero tolerance for abuse, what about compassion for the feelings of the people who have been here for years and put hours of work into the site: Contributing content, moderating content, brainstorming. **5.** How are **you** going to make the business model mix with a community driven model? Please be honest with us. You are dealing with an intelligent community, many of us are literal thinkers, and we spot inconsistencies. So be straight with us, *Please.* [1]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/11741668/pchandrasekar [2]: https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/46855268#46855268 [3]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387651/the-world-is-big-and-i-am-so-small-what-are-the-implications-for-our-meta-commu [4]: https://i.sstatic.net/qAeRC.jpg [5]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/50049/tim-post [6]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/811/shog9 [9]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342424/change-in-roles-for-jon-ericson-leaving-se [10]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/users/102937/robert-harvey