"and programming in general, is a meritocracy."
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I absolutely believe you when you say you have never, knowingly, discriminated against anyone on SO "based on their age, skin colour, gender, accent, or whatever".

The problem is your belief that (a) programming is actually a meritocracy in some pure and perfect sense and (b) so-called "merit" is a perfect blind evaluator that doesn't just serve as a an excuse to engage in what often ends up being behavior with heavy bias correlation outcomes.

People like to complain that the diversity problem in tech is a "pipeline issue" and therefore *not their problem*. Well here **is** the problem: when you have a pipeline fractured by systemic social issues and discrimination, it means that you are going to see people rising to certain levels with less exposure to certain forms of investigation, and therefor certain groupings will receive disparate impacts of behavior that has been systematized to favor certain other, principally in-group behavior.

You don't have to want to engage in bias behavior to still be effectively causing disparate outcomes along bias lines.
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It would be easy to lay the blame on the situation regarding SO on "people like you", the true believers in "the meritocracy" as a blind, non discriminatory arbiter of who rises to the top, as if skill wins everything when skill is largely cut off by a combination of various bias encounters and *unbiased behavior* that largely aligns with particular groups—with excuses lain at the feet of the pillars of merit—along the way.

Ultimately, the real problem with the altar of merit is that it is all about one thing: claiming that certain people got where they are by being somehow intrinsically better, so as to *deserve* it. This belief is then used to spurn everyone who does not happen to master the secret merit handshake.

But this shouldn't be about where certain problems are stemming from. This should be about solutions.

If StackOverflow has a problem, it's because StackOverflow incentivizes certain patterns of behavior, while leaving no space for others
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StackOverflow treats only certain types of learning as valid. If you don't read this and you ask a "bad question", you are punished. By your post, you even claim that people who ask these "bad questions" **deserve** to be punished because they aren't high enough in the "meritocracy" to be worth a response.

In this sense, while I want to re-iterate *you* are not the problem, your post *does* do a good job of showing off some of the hostility and patterns of behavior which underlie the problems: this concept that some **people** don't deserve to be treated like people, with the excuse being how they ask or answer questions, or other ritualistic behavior that they are expected to either already be familiar with or will want to spend the time to learn just to have a "merited" place on this site.

And I think a lot of that comes down to an issue that the site is set up to point all things in that general direction.

Different people learn in different ways. Different questions and answers expose different things, depending on both their wording and whether or not they deal with the same either core topics or nuanced aspects. Programming and Software Engineering are tough, often unforgiving, and sometimes what someone experienced sees as obvious is anything but that to someone who is struggling to learn basic concepts.

We should always be striving for **everyone**, regardless of who they are, to feel like they have friends in this struggle, that they have a place in this struggle if they want it, and they aren't going to be turned away simply because they didn't know the right secret handshake.

"all in the name of keeping the site's quality up"
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Here, I think, is the fundamental issue that I personally believe you have missed: Jay's post is just as easily about the quality of the site as yours.

The question is a matter of perspective, and also defining objectives: what makes StackOverflow a quality site. As someone who almost never needs to ask questions, because she can pull together an answer faster on her own than trying to explain what she needs to ask when hitting a wall, I know what **qualities** make StackOverflow valuable *to me*. But I'm not everyone.

Pretty much none of my coworkers participate on StackOverflow except to mine it for solutions. Particularly the junior developers are afraid of asking anything at all. And that's a loss. Because in the nuance of the questions they would have asked, from the directions they were approaching problems, there would have been something helpful for other junior developers.

Quality is a matter decided by perspective and related subjectivity
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StackOverflow tries to wrap questions and answers up into certain formulaic points of what will make them a good question or answer "in general". And in many regards, that's fantastic. But it also falls down a hole of ascribing a certain sense of this being a perfectly objective measure of quality, which is how we arrive at posts talking about quality and merit as gatekeepers.

The real issue, to me, is that if you fall outside certain lines in asking or answering a question, there is quickly the impression given that there is little room for you on StackOverflow, that you are to be knocked down and away as harshly as possible simply for what quickly can feel like it was simply for daring to open your mouth at all. You didn't RTFM hard enough, and you didn't Google it good enough. And in the end the message is that: it's you, so just shut up, give up, and walk away.

And that's a pity. Because rather than slowly teaching people to do better, there's a definite degree of telling everyone who doesn't immediately jump off the deep end with a perfect barely rippling the water dive that they don't belong. So people stop taking the plunge unless they're already at a certain level of their game, and in turn people who aren't at that level are faced with questions and answers that they don't understand how to translate into applying to their own problems.

What's quality for me is not necessarily quality for my teammates
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There are plenty of times where I've sat down with someone with a StackOverflow page open and worked through how to suss out the information they needed from what was there in terms of what's in front of them and not working correctly right now. Everyone here likes to claim "it's obvious" and therefor "that's a quality question/answer". Well, the problem is that no matter how many Manuals you can tell someone they "didn't fucking read", at the end of the day if it's not obvious to them, it wasn't "quality" **for** them.

So how can one engineer a Q&A site that doesn't become a horrific mess of hidden needles for you in a ton of everyone else's hay
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To me, the problem that StackOverflow really faces is one of community and behavior, and how certain forms of behavior the site incentivizes through various structuring is resulting in outcomes that fall along bias lines.

This doesn't require bias to be at the forefront of that behavior to still be a fundamental truth at the macro level.

So how do you engineer something better? I think you have to start by creating more space that can self organize around different needs, while providing streamlined access for those arriving there with to different approaches to related information, and then contextualizing it all together.

I think you also have to look at the related gamification, and providing incentives for creating that quality information contextualization, because even if it's not the same type of work, it definitely ends up being work.

And I think you have to provide incentives for simply being kind about opening doors for people rather than shutting them, where simply throwing more answers into the equation might not be the outcome desired, but rather finding ways to gamify other interactions that lead to **making those answers intelligible in the context of a different approach or different nuanced question,** and in turn **still recording that result when it's the desired outcome**…