I'm seeing maybe four specific rationales for your proposal here: > 1. The flag is an endless source of confusion 2. There is a disconnect for what moderators should do 3. Perfectly reasonable flags are declined 4. "Not Salvageable" is too weaseled I'm not going to address them in order, but I'm listing them first so you can kinda know where I'm coming from here; if you disagree that those are the main points of your post, then... Stop reading and go edit your post. ##Year-end stats [In the spirit of the season](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340815/2016-a-year-in-moderation), let's start out with some statistics for how flags were handled *by moderators* in 2016: <!-- #19634 --> <pre> <b>Flag type Flags PctHelpful PctDeclined PctDisputed </b> -------------------------------------------- -------- ---------- ----------- ----------- Comment Vandalism Deletions (Auto) 9 100.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % PostExcessiveEditsByOthersAuto 2 100.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % Question Reopen 1813 100.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % Team Offensive 2 100.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % Team Other 1 100.00 % 0.00 % 0.00 % Question Close 45673 99.94 % 0.00 % 0.00 % Answer Duplicate Answer (Auto) 13238 99.92 % 0.08 % 0.00 % Comment Obsolete 77924 99.63 % 0.37 % 0.00 % Question Recommend Close 9515 99.58 % 0.32 % 0.02 % Comment Too Chatty 49065 99.36 % 0.64 % 0.00 % Post Too Many Comments (Auto) 713 99.02 % 0.98 % 0.00 % PostExcessiveEditsByOwnerAuto 306 97.06 % 2.94 % 0.00 % ReviewLowQualityDisputedAuto 5060 96.74 % 3.26 % 0.00 % Post Excessively Long (Auto) 1281 96.25 % 3.75 % 0.00 % Answer Not An Answer 192353 95.70 % 4.22 % 0.08 % QuestionExcessiveAnswersPostedForAllTimeAuto 220 95.45 % 4.55 % 0.00 % QuestionContestedDuplicateAuto 64 93.75 % 6.25 % 0.00 % Comment Not Constructive Or Off Topic 57123 93.08 % 6.92 % 0.00 % QuestionExcessiveAnswersPostedRecentlyAuto 101 92.08 % 7.92 % 0.00 % Post Rollback War (Auto) 329 89.97 % 10.03 % 0.00 % Mod Revision Redaction Approval 448 89.29 % 10.71 % 0.00 % <b><i>Post Low Quality 33582 86.17 % 13.66 % 0.18 % </i></b> Post Vandalism Deletions (Auto) 553 85.71 % 14.29 % 0.00 % Post Spam 22294 75.57 % 18.61 % 5.83 % Comment Rude Or Offensive 12078 74.79 % 25.21 % 0.00 % Comment Other 8369 72.15 % 27.85 % 0.00 % Post Offensive 6708 67.80 % 25.25 % 6.95 % CommentTooManyDeletedRudeNotConstructiveAuto 1060 66.79 % 33.21 % 0.00 % Post Vandalism Edits (Auto) 269 66.54 % 33.46 % 0.00 % Post Other 37890 57.71 % 42.28 % 0.00 % </pre> That's all flags that were handled by moderators in 2016, sorted from most-helpful to least-helpful. I've added bold and italic to the line for VLQ (it's called something different internally, for reasons I might get around to discussing later on in this post). There are a few useful observations here: 1. **Moderators don't handle very many of these.** In fact, [moderators handle less than half of all VLQ flags raised](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340815/2016-a-year-in-moderation/340865#340865). 2. **Most of them are helpful.** Not as overwhelmingly as Not An Answer flags (which also still manage to collect regular complaints here on meta), but notably more than *spam* which *you'd think* would be less ambiguous. Critically, they're MUCH less abused than "Other" flags, of which several times more flags are declined every day - more on that in a bit. Oh - and while it isn't shown in the table above, I feel I must note that the success rate is somewhat worse for flags handled in /review, by ordinary users: only 78.36 % of those are marked Helpful. 3. **In real numbers, Not An Answer has a much bigger impact.** Far more NAA flags are processed every day, both helpful *and* declined. And... I'd guess there's a pretty good chance that removing VLQ would just translate into slightly more NAA and Other flags ([last I checked](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318952/merge-the-not-an-answer-and-very-low-quality-flags-into-one#comment321915_318952), there was a roughly 9% overlap between NAA and VLQ). But enough of that crap. Cold, unfeeling statistics are no basis for a decision like this. Instead, let's look at... ##The history of Very Low Quality For the first couple of years of its existence, there *was* no Very Low Quality flag. When it was introduced in 2011, [the goal was to make flagging more inviting](https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/01/improved-flagging/): > So in our redesign, we tried to create a kinder, gentler moderator flag dialog -- one that explains typical flag scenarios in a bit more detail. ...Not because flags are fun for the whole family, mind you - there was a *pressing need* that motivated this new-found focus on usability: > given the recent influx of traffic, we are struggling to keep up while educating question askers and educating answerers. There's no way even the most avid community moderator could possibly keep tabs on 2,500+ questions and 7,500+ answers per day. In order to keep our community tidy and on topic, we need everyone to help us flag the unusual stuff! In other words, the goal here wasn't really *precision* so much as it was a set of options that'd lead folks who saw a problem in a direction where they could *do something about it*. And... It worked! In the month after the change rolled out, the number of flags raised on Stack Overflow *doubled* after remaining mostly flat for the past year, and pretty much just kept going up for the next three years... By the summer of 2014, 5,000 flags a month had become 50,000 flags a month, successfully scaling with the traffic on the site. ...Now, I'll gloss over the problems that arose trying to *handle* all of those flags; you've been around for most of that anyway, and [I already told that story a couple of years back](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251175/stack-overflow-is-not-yet-a-vast-wasteland-a-history-of-moderator-tooling). The relevant point here is that this flag (along with Not an Answer and all of the close flags) exists because that's how we were able to stay on top of a whelming flood of crap for all these years. But the question remains... Why [V]LQ? Well, the first "low quality" flag was raised on January 7th of 2011. Prior to that, there was just spam, offensive, and "other"; most things just got typed into "other". Here are the top 100 "other" flags (under 60 characters) for 2010: not an answer 791 not programming related 299 this is not an answer 223 duplicate 182 not a real question 179 not a programming question 173 not a question 171 belongs on superuser 123 not a real answer 122 belongs on serverfault 83 off-topic 79 duplicate question 73 belongs to superusercom 70 exact duplicate 64 should be a comment 64 comment posted as answer by new user 60 should be community wiki 47 should be cw 47 this isn't an answer 47 subjective 46 comment as answer 44 this is not an answer and should be removed 42 duplicate post 40 should be deleted 40 move to superuser 39 off topic 38 belongs on meta 37 this "answer" is a question i suggest deleting it 37 belongs on su 33 should be on serverfault 32 belongs to superuser 31 community wiki 31 should be on superuser 28 question as answer 27 please delete 26 move to serverfault 25 not programming 25 should be moved to superuser 25 belongs on superusercom 24 superusercom 20 this is a "thanks" answer 20 not related to programming 19 this is not a programming question 19 migrate to serverfault 18 serverfault 18 should be moved to serverfault 18 not an answer tia 16 comment added as answer by new user 15 not programming-related 14 this is not a real answer 14 belongs on super user 13 doesn't belong here 13 duplicate please close 13 move to superuser? 13 possible duplicate 13 question posted as answer by new user 13 "thanks" answer 12 belongs on server fault 12 community wiki? 12 lmgtfy behind tinyurl requesting deletion 12 needs to be deleted 12 this isn't a real answer 12 wrong site 12 belongs on serverfaultcom 11 duplicate answer 11 duplicates 11 move to meta 11 not in english 11 not really a question 11 serverfault? 11 should be a comment, not an answer 11 should be on superusercom 11 superuser question 11 this is a comment, not an answer 11 belongs on sf 10 belongs on sf? 10 codegolf should be cw 10 delete me please 10 non-answer 10 offtopic 10 omg jeff atwood!!!!1!!! 10 should be moved to superusercom 10 subjective and argumentative 10 subjective and off-topic 10 this should be a comment 10 vague question 10 9 another "thank you" answer 9 argumentative 9 belongs to serverfault 9 comment posted as question by new user 9 doesn't belong on so 9 irrelevant 9 move to su 9 needs deletion 9 noise, should be deleted 9 not an answer\n 9 off topic! 9 remove meta tag 9 should be closed 9 As today, the vast bulk fell into two categories: questions that needed to be closed, and things that weren't answers. ...And then there were those "should be deleted" flags, on stuff like this: [![fdfdsfs;fdsfsdfsdf sdffdsfds fdsf dsf dsf sdfdsf dsfd sfsd fdsf d][1]](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/576276/is-it-possible-to-load-an-entire-web-page-before-rendering-it/696784#696784) ...and, also stuff like this: [![I'm sorry. If it is posted, and I can't delete it, I apologize...][2]](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1886614/just-a-check-to-ask-a-question) ...and a bunch of other cases where an author couldn't find the delete button. Clearly, "should be deleted" was just a bit too ambiguous for a flag; only one sane option remained: [![Good ol' Chet][3]][3] Thus, "low quality" came into being, [and was immediately hated by one and all](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/93595/is-the-very-low-quality-flag-too-ambiguous). ## OK, so that was a long, pointless story... Is there actually a solution here? Or a problem? Well, yeah, there is a problem, and it's the same problem we've always had: "low quality" means different things to different people. Pretty much everyone agrees on the "cat on keyboard" definition, but then there are... - ...very short answers - ...answers where writing in English is clearly not a skill that the author possesses - ...blatantly, obviously wrong answers, answers that do not reside in the same zip code as anything that might conceivably be correct - ...answers where the only legible text was clearly plagiarized from somewhere else - ...all of the above In short... The problem is that we're using one flag for at least 4 different problems, and hoping that both the folks raising the flag and the folks handling it happen to operate under the same assumptions. And surprisingly, they *do* a good portion of the time, but... There are still cases where someone's flagging in good faith, where the post *does* need to be removed, and yet whoever is reviewing it just can't see the problem. And the solution? Well... Add more options. Add a "crappy english" flag, and a "blatantly wrong" flag, and a "plagiarism" flag... And then figure out how to handle those flags in a way that makes sense and doesn't *just* dump the problem into the laps of the moderators. That last step is a doozy, since if we're gonna bother doing this we have to beat out the 80-85% accurate status quo. But, it could potentially pay off a lot more than the numbers suggest: chances are, there are lots of instances of these problems that aren't being identified right now because the vague flag names discourage folks from flagging. ##Things that aren't solutions ### <s>Let review handle it</s> The easy fix here would be just shoving everything into /review and calling it done. The problem with that is... We don't have enough reviewers. So we'd have to prioritize things somehow, and start aging out flags or pretty soon the size of that queue would rival that of Close. There are probably ways to get more people reviewing, but most all of them would require massive changes to how the review system works - the core of that system is coming up on 4 years old now, and is well past the limits it was designed for. ### <s>Find a magic incantation that means the same thing to every living human</s> The other common suggestion is to replace the words "very low quality" with some other combination of words that will somehow eliminate the ambiguity inherent in having one flag used for multiple purposes. The problem with this approach is that we *still* have to beat 80-85% accuracy for it to be worth the bother, which remains a pretty high bar - remember, we don't get that from *spam*. If we were Facebook, we could test hundreds of variations of wording for various populations of flaggers, until we found the one that somehow worked better than the current system. But we don't have the infrastructure to do that, and even if we did there aren't enough people using this flag to get reliable data in a short period of time - so one way or another, this'd turn into a multi-month project. For the sake of about 12 flags a day. So this solution usually boils down to a word or phrase that someone likes or thinks will help. That's how we ended up here in the first place though. ##Things that aren't problems Kinda gave this away earlier, but... **Moderators disagreeing with flaggers or with each other is [meta-tag:status-bydesign]**: that's why y'all elect moderators, so you can get folks with the diversity of experience and opinion to reflect your own. That's why a huge amount of moderation is done *directly by the folks who use the site*. The occasional disagreement is a small price to pay for avoiding the sort of ossified system that results when a small group of like-minded people control everything forever. So when you see a question about a declined flag on meta... Rejoice in the opportunity for change. [1]: https://i.sstatic.net/g1eyH.png [2]: https://i.sstatic.net/u1Gdz.png [3]: https://i.sstatic.net/DxFcW.png "No, not really. Come on..."