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We are still pursuing this because stagnating participation on the network is a concern for all of us

I can see the site analytics, and have done some basic SEDE queries to know how bad the traffic drop is, but as I and others have said elsewhere, people aren't leaving because they can't vote. They're leaving because ChatGPT and similar LLMs are more attractive to the kind of experience and use-case they have (and that's fine- we're not the same thing), and because the learning curve is steep, and the onboarding and treatment by the company here are so bad.

While I'd love for more users to vote (including anonymously), you're not going to get those people back or make a real dent in the traffic problem like this.


We have [used] rep as a threshold to award privileges [... which] has made participating on the network in some of the most basic ways difficult.

It's really not that difficult. I'd say "most basic" just includes voting and flagging. That's just 15 rep. That's just seven approved edits. If you can put in one edit every two days, that's just two weeks. Or it's receiving one upvote and two accepted edits.

Honestly, the bar for basic participation is already so low. Posting Q&A and suggesting edits are unlocked at the lowest possible rep value (one rep).


Many of these changes are a result of your feedback.

There are easier ways to get a similar effect (I'm pretty sure I said this before).

The system already records anonymous votes. Instead of "undo"ing an anonymous vote in the UI (which teaches the voter "your vote doesn't matter. stop trying"), just let it display to the voter (and only that voter) as if their vote went through.


Hypothesis: Validate that allowing more users to vote will not increase fraud disproportionately.

Let's say a nice outcome occurs and voting fraud increases proportionately instead of disproportionately. Once you scale up to all logged-in users, here's how many mods you'd need to elect to not increase per-mod workload (I.e. to keep mod workload proportionate as well, with the simplifying assumption that fraud is uniformly distributed over users): At the last SEDE refresh, of users who accessed the site any time since the release of ChatGPT, 1,260,557 users have the upvote privilege, and 5,239,332 do not. 27 * 5,239,332 / 1,260,557 is 112. So 85 new mods. That should be easy and non-controversial to get, right?


We want our test plan to include the option to reverse the voting behavior of the users in the test group and the possibility to remove their privileges altogether

I'd expect them to get rolled back unconditionally (but still recorded in some side database in case non-experiment changes roll out with equivalent privilege mechanics to those of the experiment).

[... If and only if the house is on fire,] We will revert some, if not all, votes in the test user group

Why are the votes only being rolled back if the house is on fire? This is just an experiment. Why is are the effects of the experiment "escaping the experiment sandbox"?


Will the -1 rep cost be applied to test users? (assuming that this experiment will allow voting in both directions). How will it work if they only have one rep? Will an attempt to downvote be blocked? Will it go through? (please no).

I hate that I feel the need to ask, but will the same normal limits on voting apply to these test users?

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