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I would also like to add a rebuttal to the comments section and to @yivi's answer, after researching the history of the "trilogy" a bit more.

And then in the second part present an argument for why this change should, and ultimately will anyway, be made.

Rebuttal:

Response to @yivi:

@yivi's central point is a straw man fallacy:

Yes, we could have only one big Q&A site for all the questions and answers (even those that are not related to IT), and just use tags to sort out and find topics... but that would just make finding things considerably harder, and moderating the community much more difficult. (yivi's emphasis)

Yes, merging all the sites into Stack Overflow, including Dungeons & Dragons and Physics and Philosophy etc would make no sense at all and that's probably why no one proposed that.

What @yivi should have asked, rather, and what the OP alluded to, is if Stack Overflow already scales to 16 million questions and 150,000 tags, including 30,000 questions on assembler, and 7,000 questions on embedded C, that require more hardware knowledge than a sysadmin, and 6,000 questions tagged "artificial intelligence" that probably require a maths degree, and not to mention 10,000 tagged Ansible (is Ansible programming...?), nearly 50,000 questions on Docker (isn't that just a packaged up Linux?), 70,000 tagged Amazon Web Services, another 70,000 tagged Azure -

Why would it not also scale to questions about Linux?

Response to Nicolas Bolas:

This is upvoted 14 times at the time of writing:

We're not here to make your life simpler. You are the one coming to us for information. We've decided, for the betterment of our system that provides that info, that we will split up these things into distinct sites where distinct groups of experts can gather to provide good answers. This works. If you don't want to be a part of that, that's up to you. But you don't have the right to demand that we change just because you don't want to be bothered to work within our system.

Never mind that the OP is an answerer here with a rep of 27k. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Jeff. And He said split up the site into distinct groups of experts. And He saw that it was good. And it works.

Well sorry but "it works" isn't an argument or a response. At all. 14 upvotes for restating a dogma. I don't think it works at all. At the time of writing, I just checked Server Fault, and I can barely distinguish the content of questions there from the questions here.

Every single question, in one way or another, is about writing code.

Why change is inevitable:

I began my career as a Unix/Linux system administrator in the late 1990s, whereas I am now a full stack developer.

Debugging Linux in the late 1990s meant:

  • Reading the Linux source code to understand what error messages meant.
  • Compiling C and C++ applications from source and debugging.
  • Reviewing code written by developers to verify that it is not malicious, dangerous or insecure.
  • Figuring out how to actually deploy software.
  • Writing code in Bash and Perl.

And of course a lot of automating the installation of Linux and other applications.

In other words, the system administrator was always a programmer.

What once separated the the developer from the system administrator was culture. Developers often had a "someone else's problem" attitude towards deployment, and system administrators often either didn't like programming, weren't good at it, or became product specialists (AIX, Solaris experts etc).

Basically, the difference between the sysadmin and the developer speaks to the dysfunctional historical relationship between developers and deployment. The bad old days of pre-Agile, pre-DevOps.

What does the developer/sysadmin split mean in the age of DevOps, SRE etc?

A brief history of DevOps (YouTube).

Stack Overflow and the beloved "trilogy" was created a year before the DevOps revolution happened. By 2008, keen-eyed observers had already noticed that the era of the sysadmin was drawing to a close. Today, sysadmin is a job title no one wants. I can say of my former colleagues over a 10 year career in Linux, not one is still doing system administration. Every single one now, at least ostensibly, is some kind of developer.

And in practical terms the distinction between the developer and sysadmin is also meaningless. There is no magic skill that the sysadmin has that the developer does not. The only difference is subject matter knowledge. A good sysadmin probably knows a lot more about Linux than most developers. In precisely the same way that a good Python developer probably knows a lot more about Python than a Ruby developer.

The future:

This "Trilogy" may be entrenched in the minds of many here (I must say: -34 anonymous downvotes to the OP without a single valid point landed in response is massively impressive), it is inevitable all the same that Serverfault will either die off and/or be merged into Stack Overflow anyway.

I could answer questions at Server Fault. But why would I do that? The rep earned doesn't count here ; the answers won't be ranked on Google ; no one will ever see those answers ; they'll be asked again here and then answered again at Stack Overflow anyway.

One at a time, the people who answer questions there stop doing come over here. The world has changed. Let's focus on the future.

In the mean time, we could hasten the inevitable, and help the high rep C, C++ and Python developers who keep downvoting the questions in my topic area with their spurious claims "that's not real programming" as they try in vain to steer away the migrating hordes to get focused again on actually answering questions about C, C++ and Python. That would help everyone.

Alex Harvey
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