# You haven't demonstrated that the old name posed some kind of problem

> But while the naming may not be that important in the grand scheme of things, helping new askers find this information is paramount:

Who had trouble finding the old page? I see no reason to believe users are going to see the new page are people in increased numbers unless they  actively look for it or are guided there.

> the success rate for folks who read this page before asking is significantly improved over those who do not, and that translates to less frustration for them and for everyone who takes the time to try and help them.

Sure, that makes sense, but the only meaningful data you can have on this would be with the old page and name. So what exactly is the problem?

The only actual reason given for this change is that [you have some vague distaste for the old abbreviation](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/384994/min-reprex-a-less-awkward-name-for-mcve/385296#comment696466_385004).

# "Minimal Reproducible Example" is not more clear than "Minimal, Complete, Verifiable Example"

As I noted [previously](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/385004/1394393), each word in the previous name was carefully chosen to *address a common error* in creating examples. Each word in the name and letter in the abbreviation communicated a specific quality of what makes for good example code. "Minimal Reproducible Example" drops the "complete" entirely, making it an inferior tool for communicating or remembering the three qualities.

**Leave the "Complete" in the name** to ensure that it receives as much emphasis as the other two qualities.

# "Reproducible" is the wrong word

Reproducible describes the *problem*, not the *example*. Each adjective in "Minimal, Complete, Verifiable Example" was carefully chosen to describe the example, *not* the problem. If you insist on a form of "reproduce" in the name, the correct adjective is **"reproducing"**.

Each word in MCVE was carefully chosen to ensure it describes the example rather than the problem as well. This is good for non-English speakers, who may have more trouble understanding it if it isn't precise.

# /help/minimal-reproducible-example is too long

This is too long. Users will typically be linking to this when they're dealing with a low quality question. As a result, they're likely to already be experiencing some frustration. Telling someone to type out such a long name will increase any aggravation they're experiencing.

# MRE, the natural abbreviation, means many, many other things

MRE is the most likely abbreviation users will be drawn toward for the "Minimal, Reproducible Example." But this [has many, many meanings](https://www.abbreviations.com/MRE). If your goal is to make this page *easier* to find, this is counterproductive.

# You are being incredibly rude

> Credit for "MCVExit" goes to Machavity, whose more serious feedback was also quite helpful.

You are implying that the feedback telling you the change is very bad and to leave the old name alone was "not serious." That is incredibly dismissive and rude; it's a straight up violation of your own CoC. You are operating in bad faith when you refuse to even **consider** the arguments of people who took the time and effort to explain why your change is actively worse than the original. I am tired of this level of hypocrisy on the part of SO.

*You* personally once said to me that a criticism can be harsh as long as it isn't rude, and *that* was when you were defending a post that called a political policy "stupid." If you're serious about the CoC, then you have to take your opponents seriously, no matter how much you dislike their opinion.

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If you're going to unilaterally ignore all the feedback to leave the original alone, then I propose the following:

# Minimal, Reproducing, Complete Example

It can be abbreviated "MRCE," which would be pronounced like "mercy." It could also be abbreviated "MiRCE," but I prefer leaving out the extra letter.

This name:

  * Uses a form of "reproduce" as is your preference
  * Uses the form of "reproduce" that describes the *example* rather than the *problem*
  * Is as short as the old name
  * Is pronounced more easily than the old name
  * Preserves all three of the qualities the old name emphasized
  * Lends itself well to a few puns ("Have MRCE please", "MRCE, merci")

It's at least an improvement on "Minimal, Reproducible Example." Whether it's an improvement on the original MCVE is an open question. I'm *not* a fan of changing it, but if you insist on changing it, then at least don't make it worse.