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Why do we discuss anyway?

I believe most of the people on meta participate in order to improve Stack Overflow. As a bonus, we get to share our opinions, have our voices heard, and earn badges. It's easier to answer questions about the social dynamics of maintaining and moderating the community than to answer rigorous technical questions.

When and how does a finished discussion become a "norm"?

This may sound tautological, but things become norms when a lot of people behave according to the rules discussed. As far as I can tell, the success of turning upvoted meta opinions into norms is mixed. For example, meta has been successful in maintaining Stack Overflow's "Be nice" policy, as well as being harder on plagiarism. It has not had as much success with discussions with mixed opinions. For example, the split opinions about what a "trivial edit" is and how to review them have not lead to unilateral, consistent reviewing of suggested edits.

Is the outcome ever persisted or enforced in any way?

I believe discussions are enforced to varying degrees. One obvious way they are enforced are when the meta users take the advice to heart and act on it. Our moderators and community managers are another way to enforce results of meta discussions. Often, diamond mods will tailor their moderation according to suggestions from meta.

given an univocal outcome of a Meta discussion, can we address "violators" by pointing to said discussion?

Yes, it's perfectly fine to point users to meta discussions. This is a good way to inform users of the community standards. That doesn't mean that they'll succumb to peer pressure follow our advice. Some people don't care about the overall community standards and practices or even about really becoming part of the community. If they ignore community consensus (reached via meta), they are subject to community moderation, which can include diamond mod intervention/flags in extreme cases.

Addressing the other user's argument that a meta discussion is invalid if non-moderators answer:

  • We the community elect our moderators. In the same way, we create more rules via meta discussion because the community has agreed.
  • Sometimes meta users with upvoted answers to discussions are later elected as moderators. Likewise, sometimes moderators step down. Think of all of Bill's great answers that no longer have the extra diamond.
  • One of the things that makes Stack Overflow still work is that we are all moderators. Even though we may not have diamonds, we still have moderation powers through the reputation/privilege system. This is very much by design. The tour mentions: "At the highest levels [of reputation], you'll have access to special moderation tools. You'll be able to work alongside our community moderators to keep the site focused and helpful."

TL;DR

Meta discussions have as much weight as we the community are willing to act on them, either directly or via our elected moderators.

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