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Bartek Banachewicz
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What's wrong about rape culture though? It's one of the most important agro industries.

Imagine this gets flagged. You know what differentiates a regex-based profanity filter from a moderator when handling this case? The ability to look at the context of the message and assess whether the post at hand was actually violating guidelines, practices and common sense.

What sadly seems to be turning into a lynch mob was supposed to be a look at a moderator acting like a robo-reviewer, and when faced with such accusation, instead of approaching the matter carefully, used the powers given to him to basically come out as right and innocent in the whole situation. You have to imagine the community being given such a treatment really didn't like it.

That being said, since this already is a lynch mob, and "let's nuke the Lounge" seems to be a fashionable badge to be worn on your chest nowadays, I'd like to ask; if you don't think it was the moderator that was at error here, who is to blame?

Just a recap: Lounge is made of three things.

  1. A room with a peculiar internal number 10, Which yes, pretty much means a very long history and tradition.
  2. A set of owners with rather pristine reputation when it comes to behaving reasonably.
  3. A few dozens of individuals, each with their own understanding of SO rules and policies.

It's hardly reasonable to blame #1. It's just a number. Hypothethically, any room could become (and has become) a source of content that was over the line.

I could see how you'd like to blame the room owners for that - but do think about that for a second. Room owners have asked for better moderation tools for years. Sure, the kick facility was provided after like 3 years of constant nagging, but flags, which apparently seem to be one of the ignition points here, remain a largely unsolved and often complained about subject, even by moderators themselves. That being said, if you remove the current set, you'd need to find a new set of people with enough C++ knowledge to moderate the C++ community chatroom across all timezones. Otherwise you'd be faced with the endless stream of "another C++ room" popping up which was what Lounge was reenacted to prevent in the first place.

And if you choose to blame the community, please remember, that we're not monolithic. If you want to "nuke" our community, then I fully expect you that you bring each and every person participating in the room to the "SO court" and evaluate whether a suspension is in order. Note however, that I would strongly vouch for doing this for every other member of other, even slightly controversial chatrooms; as you've said yourselves, the rules are universal for everyone.

So if you're saying "please nuke the Lounge" just because you've managed to read last two days out of five years of transcript because it "sounds right" to you, then please think twice about the actual execution of the idea and what it means and how unfair it sounds to all the people that stay in the room and behave reasonably, just because you've managed to cherry-pick an account that pops in and says "rape" or "fuck" as an example of the room's ongoing behaviour.

Bartek Banachewicz
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