In some way or another, I knew that this was coming. I was foolish to think that the proposal would get to the commitment phase before it did, though. The Problem =========== I really think that Stack Overflow Academy was a good solution to a messy problem: how do we teach people to use the site without them knowing how to use the site? Voting on Meta is very strong in comparison to the main site: the people who are active here are the people who *know* how to use this site. We vote to express opinion rather than usefulness and we sometimes allow our emotions to get the best of us, which can affect both the main site and the users who visit it. That kind of place is not conducive to the education of new users who are learning how to use the Q&A model for the first time. In fact, nothing about Stack Exchange is, and that's partially by design. ### Background Let me explain with a story. I first came across Stack Overflow in search results as an eager 13-year-old learning the magic and wonder that is programming. In the two years that passed between then and the time of my joining five months ago, a lot has changed. I've learned and gained experience and appreciation for programming and technology in general. However, I never really thought much about Stack Overflow: it was just another Yahoo! Answers that I encountered in Google searches for common errors or concepts. It never occurred to me that **Stack Overflow is a *community*** full of people who willingly give up hours and hours (and hours) of their day(/week/month/year) to answer other people's programming questions. Then there's the Stack Exchange network, which is full of people who are willing to do the same for all kinds of other topics. That's the kind of thing you *don't* realize from the outside, when you land on a page from search results, read it, and leave. There's no way for us to indicate to people *what* Stack Exchange is and why it's so amazing. When I found myself here five months ago, pressing the "sign up" button, it wasn't because I wanted to beg for help from someone. It wasn't because I wanted to say thank you or contribute an answer to a problem I'd solved. It was because I just *had* to improve the code that some guy wrote in an answer. Well, [my edit was rejected][1]. I wasn't angry about it (mostly because I didn't know it was rejected until five minutes ago when I checked). I just kept going. I decided to [ask a simple question][2]. I waited. And waited. And waited. 6 days later, it got an upvote. *Wow*, I thought, someone *actually* thinks my question is useful. I started to answer a question or two, gather some badges, and make a few edits. That little number next to my name started growing. All the while, that question I asked started gaining more upvotes. Two months later, I answered my own question, stating that what I was trying to do was essentially impossible. But then, someone comes along and *answers* my question. While he did confirm that what I was asking is impossible, he provided a way to *make it possible*, which is what programming is all about. I was amazed. I started answering more and more questions, gaining reputation, and participating here on Meta. I've risen to become the [fourth most active user here][3], and I recently crossed a threshold of 2k reputation, giving me quite a few new powers to help keep the community in line and contribute more. Throughout all of that, I haven't asked another question. "Why?" is a question you may be thinking. "You got an answer to your first." Yes, reader, I did. However, I've learned a lot since then. It's not because I didn't *have* questions and it's not because I didn't need answers. It's because one of the things I've learned is that [asking a question is terrifying][4]. It's shameful. It's dangerous. It's inhuman. While many of us know that those things aren't true, it's the impression we give if you make one too many mistakes. In my opinion, it's not that hard to take a little [tour][5] or read through [some Help Center articles][6], so I did those things. I put effort into my question and my answers. However, I'm a rare case. Most people *don't care how their questions appear, why they appear, or even whether they're banned*. For many, all they're looking for is an answer to their question. *"Banned? So what? Just make a new account and ask again: maybe someone'll answer it before [those evil 'Meta police'][7] close the question for being 'unclear' (whatever that means)."* ### The Divide In all seriousness, it's a problem: if we want this community to persist, we have to remove the perceived divide between high-rep users and low-rep ones. In my experience, that hasn't been a problem: the people here have been extremely welcoming, both on Meta and the main site. That may be because I followed the rules. I was lucky: I did "what you're supposed to do." The truth is that the (very, very, *very*) **vast** majority of people simply don't care about doing "what you're supposed to do". Even many 20k+ users simply don't care: they're fed up with the "new Stack Overflow" and yearn for the good old days where a question with hint of subjectivity or humor could stay open for more than 10 minutes. Since I came here, I've been calling myself "a (relatively) new user". I think it's time to stop that: I am *not* a new user anymore; I know the moderation policies, the customs, and the standards of Stack Overflow. I know how this place runs and how it's supposed to run. I know about the pessimism and the rage and the horror that the front page can incite. Anyone can learn these things, but it's a gradual process. Meta is a crucial part of this process: you can gain insight into the workings of the site and meet the people who keep it on its feet, but I think that there's something inherently wrong with treating it as a place for "training" (if you want to call it that) new users. The Solution ============ I know that you've been "working on a solution" to this for months. I know that Stack Overflow Academy was only one possible solution to "The Problem." I know that a lot of people were in **strong** opposition to this proposal. However, I can't be the only one who thinks that the Academy was (and still is) a good idea. It allows people like *those of us who regularly participate in Meta discussion* to [help new users][8] understand and adapt to the Q&A model: we have to work together to prove that Stack Overflow is not a forum; it's not just another place where you can drop a poorly formatted and unclear post and walk away. In fact, if you do, people will even *go to the trouble of editing it for you* to fix errors and clean up your post. ### Why Not Meta? "So," you ask, "if it's Meta users who are fit to do this, why can't we just do it on Meta?" Because Meta is for discussion *about the site and its policies*. It's where we come to resolve edge cases and decide what an edge case is in the first place. It's where we, the people who use the site, communicate with the people who run/moderate the site. And the best part is that there isn't a clear line between us and them. No, in fact, those two are the same in many cases. Meta is not the place to teach new users because teaching new users is not what Meta is for. That sounds either obvious or crazy, but hear me out. You could argue that since policies are dynamic, the place where we teach policies to new users should be right alongside where we decide changes in policy. The problem is that **it's difficult to explain things to people when you don't entirely understand them yourself**. That's the crux of it, right there. Say all you want about Stack Overflow and its Meta policy, but you **cannot** argue that the system doesn't *work*. Considering the 3.4 million users that this website has, **something has to be working, or this place would be in ruins**. You've touched on "The Problem" here: > Digging into their reasons boils down, more often than not, to being unable to formulate questions that meets the standards of our site. These are not bad programmers; they are unskilled at debugging and/or don't understand the expectations we have for questions. So when I looked at the [list of example SO Academy questions][9], I wished we had a place for people to ask them. That's also a major part of "The Problem." We have users who are **willing to improve**, and they are coming to Meta more and more commonly these days, prompting [highly upvoted comments][10] like this: > +1 for wanting to learn, and not going on to ask the same old way, but wanting to ask better. that is what its all about However, these users have no place to ask but Meta; Meta should be used for talking about the site, not talking about how to help specific users get better at asking/answering questions. **That** on its own is why Stack Overflow Academy was/is a good idea: it allows those of us who *want to help* to do so and those who don't want to "deal with" new users and would rather just talk about the site talk about the site. There's a reason why we have Programmers, Code Review, Software Recommendations, Programming Puzzles and Code Golf, *and* Stack Overflow. People like different things, and they always will: opinions are important, and while what the Academy stands for (teaching new users, understanding the Stack Exchange model, etc.) falls under the scope of what Meta stands for (policies, site discussion, etc.), **they are not the same thing** and should not be treated as such. As I hear these predictions of low-quality, poorly researched questions, all I can think of is that *we already have those now*, on both Stack Overflow and Meta Stack Overflow. We would handle them there the same way we handle them here: by creating a strong list of general questions that we can use for duplicates while still allowing a little variation for the sake of teaching and help. If we want to help new users, *we have to help them*: we can't go halfway, or the effort is wasted. Closing, deletion, and other general moderation would be in place just as much as they are on any other Stack Exchange site. Again, most of the people reading this are active members of the Stack Exchange Network, and as <del>users</del> people who are crucial to the success of this <del>site</del> community, it is our job to welcome new members and teach them. In the end, it doesn't matter to me *how* we do that, but rather **that we do**, and I am proud to say that I am lucky enough to have been able to become a part of this amazing place and I hope that others will be able to do the same. --- ## TL;DR I'm taking an opinion somewhat opposite to and somewhat alongside Jon's, but I think that Meta.SO is the wrong place to talk about these matters. (If you want more than that, you'll have to read the whole thing.) [1]: http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4558342 [2]: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23025414/attach-files-to-mandrill-message-with-browse-button [3]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/users [4]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261592/how-much-research-effort-is-expected-of-stack-overflow-users/261593#261593 [5]: http://stackoverflow.com/tour [6]: http://stackoverflow.com/help [7]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/268240/what-does-meta-police-mean [8]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/258085/what-can-we-do-to-promote-reward-users-that-take-the-time-to-mentor-newbies-to-s [9]: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/72987/stack-overflow-academy?tab=votes#tab-top [10]: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/262527/how-to-ask-a-good-question-when-im-not-sure-what-im-looking-for/262580#comment52952_262527