Questions tagged [welcoming]
Questions related to the Stack Overflow aims of becoming more "welcoming" to newer users. Use this for discussions about potential policy changes, and not to deal with specific incidents (except as mentioned as part of broader discussions).
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An account of my meeting with the Stack Overflow management team
Recently, Prashanth Chandrasekar introduced himself on Stack Overflow Meta and engaged with us. I, Aaron Hall, a moderator, wrote up my synthesis of where I think we currently stand, and I offered to ...
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Does Stack Exchange really want to conflate newbies with women/people of color?
The Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming blog post says:
Too many people experience Stack Overflow as a hostile or elitist place, especially newer coders, women, people of color, and others in ...
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When is Stack Overflow going to stop demonizing the quality-concerned users who have made the site a success?
Yes, it's another meta question about the "Stack Overflow isn't very welcoming" blog post.
As someone who has been on this site for almost a decade, who has tried to post good questions, who has ...
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The Stack Overflow I wish to build and participate in is no longer supported
tl;dr: There is no tl;dr. If you don't wish to read the entire thing, then don't worry about it.
I was hoping my month off would've cooled me off a bit or at least given me a different perspective ...
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Is this really what we should consider "unwelcoming"?
Quoting from today's blog post "Welcome Wagon: Classifying Comments on Stack Overflow":
According to those of us deeply involved here and familiar with Stack Overflow, about 7% of comments on Stack ...
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Is Stack Overflow really racist/sexist?
In Jay Hanlon's recent "Not Welcoming" blog article, Jay claims in the first sentence that the community is unfriendly to women and people of color.
I myself never look at who's posting, let alone ...
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Should we stop commenting altogether?
Yes, that's a pretentious title.
I love commenting. I'm on my way to having posted 15,000 comments. I want to help people improve their question so it won't be closed, or help them find a duplicate ...
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What examples are there for Not Being Very Welcoming?
It was hard to accept some of the (valid) criticism, especially the idea that women and people of color felt particularly unwelcome.
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Many people, especially those in marginalized groups do feel ...
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On the false dichotomy between quality and kindness
Many things have been said in the Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change. blog post. I want to examine a particular statement:
Let’s reject the false dichotomy between ...
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What if they COULD google their question in 5 seconds?
One example from the revised Code of Conduct of a comment that will now be considered "rude" is "You could google this in 5 seconds."
Indeed, my usual comment for cases like this is the relatively ...
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Curation and cynicism: Or why Stack Overflow sometimes doesn't seem welcoming
There's been a lot of talk lately about the state of Stack Overflow, sparked by this blog entry that levies this charge
Stack Overflow is intended to be an inclusive place where every programmer can ...
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Display a message to the OP the first time they receive a downvote
Here's the feature request: When a new user receives a downvote on a question they asked for the first time, the system should display a message, only visible to that user, similar to the existing ...
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How do you know Stack Overflow feels unwelcoming?
The Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change. blog post says:
But how do we really know that too many developers experience Stack Overflow as an unwelcoming or hostile ...
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Can we make it more obvious to new users that downvotes on the main site are not insults and in fact can help them help themselves?
So, going through the questions about the blog post, it's stirred an old question in me I've wanted to ask for a while. To be clear, I have been sitting on this question for a while, not quite ...
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Changing new users' expectations of this site *before* they ask their question by requiring them to pass a test
The problem:
Currently, to ask a question, a user has to tick a button at the bottom of a page of text:
Nowhere am I told that Stack Overflow isn't a forum. At no point is it checked that I have ...
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How can we stop failing the users who we actually want to join, and remain as, members of our community?
For context, please read this excellent answer by Scratte, one of the very users this question is concerned with.
What was your reaction to that answer? Sadness? Shame? Despair? Because those were ...
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With a userbase as diverse as Stack Overflow's, how will we arrive at an actionable definition of "unwelcoming"?
So on Mark Amery's Feedback post about the newest blog post, I wrote this comment:
If you're gonna use any user input to define "unwelcoming" y'all are
going to be in for a rough time. The ...
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Did Stack Exchange cut the number of negative comments nearly in half between the beginning of the fourth quarter of 2019 and January 21, 2020?
Franck Dernoncourt asked, over on Skeptics:
Did Stack Exchange cut the number of negative comments nearly in half between the beginning of the fourth quarter of 2019 and January 21, 2020?
It's not ...
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Feedback on the blog post: Is this the actual mission and goal of Stack Overflow now?
I've perused the new blog post — What a very bad day at work taught me about building Stack Overflow’s community. There are some decent points being made in there with respect to the amount of ...
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Can we be more welcoming by managing expectations?
I've just cleared the First Posts review queue. Only one of the questions I could assess did not merit a vote-to-close or a VLQ flag. How "welcome" do you suppose those newcomers feel?
We already ...
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Can we have some site approved canned comments to match the new CoC and welcoming?
There's so much confusion and debate over what is welcoming and what is expected of users with the Code of Conduct changing. There's a fine line we step between being frank in our discourse and what ...
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"Prefer not to answer" in the Developer Survey Results 2018
I've been looking at the results of the latest developer survey showing Stack Overflow as a community of white
Here again we see evidence for problems with diversity and inclusion.
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Does the company still want this to be a library of knowledge?
Stack Overflow is a question and answer site for professional and enthusiast programmers. It's built and run by you as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&A sites. With your help, we're ...
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A SWAT team of nice II: temporarily show new questions only to designated "guide" users, allowing for fixing problems
tl;dr: Let's allow new users to request a temporary "pit stop" for their questions before they enter the race track - a mode where the question is visible only to a group of designated "guide" users ...
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Request: edit/clarify the "Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming" blog post
TL;DR
I claim that several arguments made in the
"Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change. " blog post are
ridden with serious flaws (naive assumptions about human ...
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Did I just get told off by email? If so, what did I do?
I just received an email from Stack Overflow with the subject "Stack Overflow - Guiding question askers - Part 1", which appears to be (quite patronisingly and passive-aggressively IMHO) telling me ...
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Feedback on the Comment Classifier blog post
Julia Silge and Jason Punyon just posted Welcome Wagon: Classifying Comments on Stack Overflow. There doesn't seem to be a dedicated post for giving feedback on it, so I thought I'd post my own.
I ...
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Policing in the aftermath of The Blog Post of Welcomingness
I want to talk about taking action in our trying time of The Blog Post. Consider it a plea for sanity.
Background
I know the problems concerning minority groups are very real even on Stack Overflow. ...
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Please ask if there is a problem before telling us there is a problem
I'm concerned about the most recent blog post Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change.. I worry about seeing an outright blog post telling me that there is something wrong ...
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Are "You clearly don't understand X" comments unwelcoming?
So, there was a question asked. I offered some comments to try to help the OP. They definitely weren't answers but were suggestions on different approaches they might want to take.
I'm deliberately ...
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The "why have I been question banned" FAQ isn't very good at effecting a change in behavior
The situation
Today I saw another one in the slew and endless torrent of meta questions about "why have I been question banned?". As usual, it was closed as a duplicate of this FAQ entry.
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Be nice, be nice, be nice, yes, but what if the question is horrifically egregiously bad?
So yes, it is being drummed into us to always be nice, but good lord almighty, what to do when you run into horrific, terrible, and just plain lazy homework dump questions, questions such as this ...
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Now that we can detect "Snark," what are we planning to do with it?
Yesterday a new update showed up on the Stack Overflow blog: Rolling out the Welcome Wagon: June Update.
Among the updates of things that are marked as Done, one really caught my eye:
Built an “...
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What should the user community do about incivility on Stack Overflow?
Incivility on Stack Overflow is not a new topic. But apparently it's been given new life. So here's your chance to sound off on what we, as a community, can do about it.
But first, some of my own ...
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Should we say "vandalizing" to refer to defaced content?
Yesterday, I noticed that one of the non-salvageable questions I had contributed towards closure was edited to no longer include its original content (it was something along the lines of "I just ...
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Can we statistically detect changes in friendliness from the Welcome Wagon, new CoC, New Contributor Indicator, etc?
Can we statistically analyze the success of the Welcome Wagon, new Code of Conduct, and related UI changes?
I did some analysis I'll provide as a self-answer below, but new answers and edits are more ...
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A Second Chance: Rework the Reopen System
In the wake of the famous blog post, I'd like to propose a rework of the reopen system.
The problem:
Poorly asked questions by newbies often get downvoted and closed. Sometimes, helpful users try to ...
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But seriously. How to be nice when trying to say the code is crap?
I came upon a question just now where the OP's code has serious errors which leads to problems, and the OP asks how to solve the problems. So far, so good, but after having the serious errors pointed ...
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How about an interactive welcoming tutorial?
Some students say:
without a clear understanding of the community’s rules, it was hard to get started. [...] it seemed like the site punished people for not knowing how to engage with the community ...
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Declining Numbers of Women in Programming, What Can SO do to Help?
Edit Summary for the TLDR
People are asking for a summary due to the enormity of this thread of posts and comments.
In summary this post is to discuss the link of diminishing numbers of women in ...
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Dissecting a specific instance of an unwelcoming complaint
Here's an interesting situation I came across recently that I thought could be an object lesson in what is wrong with Stack Overflow these days. (None of this is particularly new, but examples help to ...
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Very Very Bad Question About an Exam... How to be polite to bad faith people
I read Jay Hanlon's blog post and I understand we should try to be nice to new users. I try to be nice to people in general. But this question: Can you help me with my python program assignment? is ...
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When do we stop blaming the community?
After a contribution hiatus from SO for reasons of time, meta drama, and general lack of quality, I have "come back" during my downtime. And basically, nothing has changed. All these welcoming posts, ...
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Am I being too rude suggesting the OP to ask their boss for clarification and not to ask the same question twice
I left a couple of comments on this question, which is a near duplicate of another question the same user asked a couple of days ago. Both of these are quite broad, and I've flagged the newest ...
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Does the recent blog post on being less hostile contradict "How to Answer"'s advice on not answering bad questions?
Closely related: Is the How to Answer article's section on only answering well-asked questions advice or site policy?
Also related: Is a comment telling someone not to answer constructive?
The ...
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How to vote to close questions and be welcoming at the same time [duplicate]
I have some dupehammer privileges.
And I stand up and cheer when I read Jay Hanlon's post about making Stack Overflow more welcoming. With the possible exception of Jon Skeet, we were all n00bz once.
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What community actions is the "Welcoming" blog post advocating?
Situation
I've noticed a common theme in discussions about the "Welcoming" blog post. That is a tendency of people (regardless of their views) to talk about the philosophy of the blog or the attitude ...
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Codifying the Scope: Differentiate between Teaching and Helping on Stack Overflow
I'd like to see the loop closed on what we need to do with the site's cultural perception of "niceness", and eliminate any ambiguity. While I understand that there are some things which will be ...
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What should we do if users don't listen to our comments pointing out severe flaws?
In the most recent welcoming blog about comment evaluation, something caught my eye.
In the sample unwelcoming comments, 3 out of 5 comments are seemingly posted by users who (almost surely, judging ...
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How do people join communities these days? [closed]
I remember a time before Stack Overflow. Not much, and not well; there are certainly people with more and longer experience of those dark days than me (I've even heard that there was a time where ...