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Discussions has got a lot of attention recently, none of it good. The volume of spam in the area is at an all-time high, which isn't disappearing quickly due to the lack of the usual tools.

This is compounded by the tiny volume of good quality posts in Discussions, meaning that people don't want to visit the area of the site; it's filled with low quality content and spam. The last "good" post (not deleted due to being "not suitable for Discussions") was created five days ago on the 15th, and the last upvoted way back on the 13th. Many of the non-spam posts I have seen in the last week have been simple code dumps, or just entire nonsense.

The community has tried the way they are supposed to with constructive feedback and feature requests on Meta; NONE of the features are implemented. If Stack Overflow aren't interested, then neither should the community be.

In an attempt to get Stack Overflow to do something, I am therefore proposing that as a community we stop curating and moderating Discussions; leave Spam in situ, leave code dumps alone, basically, don't visit the area apart from to watch it burn. Until Stack Overflow actually start doing something, not just acknowledging the problems but start fixing them that we, as a community, stop doing the things that they need us to do (within Discussions); curate & moderate.


To list a few expectations for Discussions, which I feel are musts:

  • API or WebSocket access, minimally at least for Charcoal so spam can be quickly combatted
  • Flag history for users. Moderators cannot tell us why a flag would be declined, for example, making their job harder for repeat incorrect flags
  • Community Edits; Some posts can be saved by other users, we should not rely on mods to fix them.
  • Downvotes.
  • Data appears in SEDE.
  • Moderator tooling improvements (A moderator for the area would be better posting an answer on how these can be improved)
  • Better onboarding or a reputation increase to post
    • This is important in my view; it'll help combat spam and the high volume of low quality content. The reputation doesn't need to be high (5 would be fine).
    • Otherwise we need a SG like area for Discussions, which considering the volume posted, would likely be very manageable.

Feel free to post answers if you disagree with any of these expectations, or want to add to them.

Alternatively, Stack Overflow could turn it off; that would "solve" the problem. If they want to then release it again in the future, then it should still minimally have all the features listed above.

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    Related: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/432250/5515060
    – Lino
    Commented Nov 20 at 9:12
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    Yeah that's great, but even if literally everyone on meta agrees it won't make a difference. Meta does not represent Stack Overflow.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 20 at 9:14
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    It doesn't, but the majority of active curators at least do. @Gimby . It might only mean that things like spam take even longer to disappear, while really low quality stuff hangs around if (Dicussion) Moderators choose to participate, but the area of the site hasn't improved after the community has taken the "right" actions, so inaction seems like the "logical" next step.
    – Thom A
    Commented Nov 20 at 9:20
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    I'm absolutely stunned that they haven't pulled the plug on, or at VERY LEAST frozen discussions, yet. The feature is absolutely flooded with spam. Any half-competent product owner would be absolutely scrambling to at least stop that flood... What on earth is going on that they're just ignoring this?!
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Nov 20 at 9:49
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    I 100% support this.
    – Cow
    Commented Nov 20 at 11:06
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    I would propose to go one step further and refuse to use it entirely. It is almost made useless anyway thanks to the incredibly low quality of content. We could also stop participating in any guinea pig "user feedback" experiments advertised by the company since they 1) don't want to hear feedback which isn't in line with what they intended and 2) don't want to hear any feedback at all.
    – Lundin
    Commented Nov 20 at 12:33
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    Honestly, if the curation/moderation stops, participation on legimate, on-topic, well written posts would be more or less impossible anyway, @Lundin ; the posts will fall off the front page very quickly. It took less than an hour for the front page (of 15 posts) to all be spam posts.
    – Thom A
    Commented Nov 20 at 12:37
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    @Cerbrus My guess is that whoever was in charge of this was fired during the lay-offs and they have nobody left in the company that knows how to deal with it. I would not assume that there are product owners employed by the company, let alone half-competent ones.
    – Lundin
    Commented Nov 20 at 12:47
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    I find it astonishing that the company was able to outsource anti-spam measures to volunteers. That's crazy. They monetize the platform and thus they should prevent and remove spam. Quitely ignore Discussions like everybody else does.
    – Roland
    Commented Nov 20 at 13:57
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    I'm doing my part by continuing to not visit or use a feature no one asked for.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Nov 21 at 0:42
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    Oh wow, I've never actually clicked into discussions before so I had a look. This is so bad, that I would recommend completely disabling the entire thing until it's fixed. Of the first 15 listed, maybe 2 were not spam/porn bots.I'm actually stunned as to how bad this is.
    – DavidG
    Commented Nov 21 at 12:53
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    Fully agree with this proposal, in fact I've advocated for the same thing last month in a similar discussion. Not sure why anyone would continue to do free volunteer work for SE at this point in time.
    – l4mpi
    Commented Nov 21 at 13:55
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    @RyanM You unfeatured this post and added a link in the edit note to a chat message that none of us can see. Can you summarise why you did it here?
    – DavidG
    Commented Nov 22 at 16:22
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    @Sayse The edit comment doesn't appear to say that CMs had anything to do with it. Thus, you shouldn't think that they did. If they did, the edit comment would have said so.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Nov 22 at 17:10
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    The biggest reason why we're not giving a specific reason is very boring: we didn't explicitly agree on any specific reason. I could hypothetically enumerate every reason that was brought up (some were raised), but it wouldn't necessarily represent the thinking of a majority or even a plurality of the moderators involved in the discussion, and so I'm disinclined to do so in order to avoid painting a potentially misleading picture of why the decision was reached. The only thing we explicitly agreed on was that it shouldn't be featured. Once that consensus was clear, I removed the tag.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Nov 26 at 12:58

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Discussions is no longer safe for work. And this is not a metaphor. I would shudder to think what a colleague would think if they saw me visiting a page that has a bunch of advertisements for porn.

Since the Discussions feature was expanded to all tags in February 2024, I have been visiting to monitor for spam and report it in CharcoalHQ as well as try and flag anything else I notice which is not spam.

What I have been doing has been an extreme waste of time. There is more spam nowadays (on average) than months ago. Moreover, none of my effort is sustainable. I have been adding more rules to SmokeDetector so it can recognise this spam in the future but extremely few of these rules are hit, since only the main sites and Staging Ground are scanned automatically. We get a lot of repeated spam in Discussions that only shows up in Discussions. That will never be caught while there is no API access to Discussions for SmokeDetector to use.

I am on board with this proposal. Effective immediately, I will no longer visit Discussions.

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    Your absence is already working. chuckles
    – Lino
    Commented Nov 20 at 9:57
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    Looks like they're all gone now, @Lino . :(
    – Thom A
    Commented Nov 20 at 10:21
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    @Lino Oh wow, didn't realize the spam was that bad. I'd only seen various devblog self-promos and even those were enough to turn me off of the feature
    – Marsroverr
    Commented Nov 20 at 18:52
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    If only Discussion was actually a spam honeypot so that spammers spammed less on the main Q&A site... (wishful thinking)
    – Andrew T.
    Commented Nov 21 at 1:41
  • @ThomA no worries, they will come back soon enough. :)
    – Lino
    Commented Nov 21 at 10:57
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    Yeah, I've noticed that 09:00-14:00 UTC seems to be a peak time; I wouldn't be surprised if it's due to the post being made by bots on compromised PCs and those devices are on during those times (perhaps an evening in a certain part of the world).
    – Thom A
    Commented Nov 21 at 12:41
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    Holy shit. The latest post is actual porn spam, and it's been up for 20 minutes. Smoke Detector would have had it removed in literal seconds. This is horribly unprofessional, and bad for the brand. Why is this active?! Commented Nov 22 at 19:09
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    @JeremyBanks the porn spam has been going for over two weeks now. That's why I said it's NSFW. I was getting increasingly nervous trying to open Discussions at work to try and purge that spam daily. For there would be usually at least 6-10 of these at different times throughout a day.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Nov 22 at 21:39
  • Spam posts remain up for hours. Right now there are at least 30. I have flagged several similar posts before, but I cannot be bothered anymore.
    – mzjn
    Commented Nov 30 at 16:37

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