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I've only recently really begun to answer questions on Stack Overflow after having only asked questions. I've spent a large portion of my time in Chemistry Stack Exchange where one typically easily garners votes (either + or -) in a short amount of time.

I'm not super strong in programming, but do learn when I see questions and try to come up with ways to answer. This is why I've started answering despite previously being shy of doing so.

However, my answers don't seem to receive any votes as they do on other parts of SE.

Do people here maybe think my answers are bad and maybe nobody wants to downvote, or is the voting culture here inherently different, or is it the sheer volume of questions on this site that might prevent my answers from being seen? I don't want to keep contributing if people think what I've written is a bunch of drivel.

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    One pattern I noticed is that you seem to be answering old questions, these would bring you reputation over time as long as your answer is good or brings in some useful information not in existing answers. What this also means though is that voting on these answers would take more time since they are sorted below the already existing answers (so there are lesser chances of people happening on your answer) in most of the sorting options. Commented Jul 25 at 5:50
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    @AbdulAzizBarkat Is it okay to answer old questions? I don't want to be annoying but usually, I come across those when I'm trying to figure something out in code and it doesn't work but I find an alternate route that DOES work and I make it an answer. I just want to make sure that's not taboo here. Commented Jul 25 at 6:01
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    @MelanieShebel it's okay (probably encouraged even) to answer old posts (with the usual caveat that the answer should bring something new to the table and not just repeat existing ones). My comment just points out that given the scale of SO answering old questions doesn't give you the "quick" rep it might give you on other sites, but as I mentioned before it will net you reputation over time. Commented Jul 25 at 6:08
  • Suggest you look at the sort of (especially generic) common critical & improvement comments that are left by people whose questions and/or answers and/or comments you consider good/helpful & apply their suggestions/principles/conventions to your posts.
    – philipxy
    Commented Jul 25 at 6:16
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    "Is the voting culture on SO different than other SE sites?" - it even differs per tag. Stack Overflow has a pretty bad rep for being "toxic"; this is because curation is generally pretty strict with a higher chance for content receiving downvotes and close votes than might happen on other sites.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 25 at 7:43
  • I just had a quick glance at your answers and saw that they are generally on older, very highly-viewed questions and the newest ones encompass Python, JS, R, Ruby and MySQL. That's often a quick heuristic for someone posting LLM answers. Clearly you are a real and apparently very knowledgeable person, but I wonder if this is partly another effect of people posting ChatGPT answers.
    – SamR
    Commented Jul 25 at 16:14
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    Agreed with @Gimby. Posts on SO can sometimes take months or even years to garner +10 score, but I've often seen it on the smaller sites posts receiving 10-100 score in a matter of days. My impression of the smaller sites is that they are much looser with quality control and more likely to upvote just about anything.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Jul 25 at 17:33
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    @philipxy some other stackexchanges are far more critical about question topic of questions and answer quality than SO in my experience. In effect, each community has their own needs, hang-ups and flavors of pedantry.
    – sehe
    Commented Jul 25 at 18:18
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    @philipxy In my experience the specific science field Stack sites don't generally suffer from quality problems like that. Sure there are some low quality questions, but the answers are generally high quality.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 25 at 18:19
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    @MelanieShebel - I have a vaguely similar background. I joined SO many years ago, but posted not a single Q or A until a little over a week ago. I've made some goofs and been corrected a few times. You can mostly ignore rude posts from trolls with low reputations. It's harder when a high-rep user leaves a terse message. Just be aware that they're trying to help lots of people all over the site, so don't feel bad about a too-short message. But do make improvements to your answers as the comments come in. I've had downvotes retracted when I fixed problems. Commented Jul 25 at 21:40
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    @MelanieShebel FWIW: I've noticed that copy/paste of applicable paragraphs from man pages and/or language standards (available online) attract the most upvotes... It's a curious situation wherein helping an individual by finding bugs or fixing algorithms or suggesting alternative approaches is not really valued here, yet "RTFM" answers are... I suggest to NOT attach ANY significance to "rep points" and simply make worthwhile contributions when- & how- you can, and as you choose to. "All that glitters is not gold."
    – Fe2O3
    Commented Jul 26 at 1:49
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    @Fe2O3 "finding bugs or fixing algorithms or suggesting alternative approaches is not really valued here" Fixing bugs and fixing algorithms are usually extremely narrow in scope and helps exactly one person, so yes, we shouldn't value them. "yet RTFM answers are" there are very few literal copy-and-paste answers, especially newer ones, that are highly upvoted. There is most often valuable accompanying explanation which well-deserves the upvotes.
    – Passer By
    Commented Jul 26 at 5:30
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    @MelanieShebel the simple answer, as explained in the Ryan answer, is just that there is no "community that reads all the questions" in SO, it is far too large. However it is a fact that, to be absolutely blunt, there is nothing that good programmers hate more than bad or newb programmers. (And this goes up and down the chain. Leading domain expert programmers, despise expert programmers. Expert programmers despise good programmers. Good programmers despise mediocre programmers .. and so on.) It's an internet commonplace that SO is the site where 100% of users are snotty, seething.
    – Fattie
    Commented Jul 27 at 13:45
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    @Fattie given that there's no objective assessment of what constitutes a "good programmer" I would suggest your conjecture would be better phrased as "there's nothing that people who believe that they are good programmers hate more than people they believe are beneath them". Truly good programmers enjoy teaching other people and don't try to belittle them.
    – Ian Newson
    Commented Jul 27 at 23:33
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    @IanNewson in fact I feel a sort of fatherly pride when I see the young'uns get it. We are on the verge of algorithm-driven software completely ruining the next generation of programmers, they will need all the help they can get to reach any level of "good". We all need to double down on sharing wisdom.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 30 at 8:37

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However, my answers don't seem to receive any votes as they do on other parts of SE.

Do people here maybe think my answers are bad and maybe nobody wants to downvote, or is the voting culture here inherently different, or is it the sheer volume of questions on this site that might prevent my answers from being seen?

The short answer is "there are a lot more posts relative to the number of people browsing the site looking for content, so upvotes mostly come in when someone with the same problem finds your post via a search and it helps them, rather than people seeing your post when it's new." On a lot of sites, it's practical for the site's regulars to read every single new post submitted to the site. On Stack Overflow, that would be a full-time job (probably several full-time jobs)—we average roughly 2000 questions per day, and a pretty similar number of answers.

That voting over time shouldn't be underestimated. For example, you didn't post any answers between early 2021 and last month, but you were steadily earning upvotes on your existing answers that whole time.

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    I also have the impression, that the most common errors messages, which people may expire, gain by far the most upvotes. These are often the most primitive problems, while sophisticated Q/A often go merely unnoticed. The less specialized, the more upvotes. These upvotes indicate popularity, not exactly quality. Commented Jul 25 at 15:46
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    @MartinZeitler on "These upvotes indicate popularity, not exactly quality." - that sounds a bit like it's a bad thing. I like to think of it more as "these upvotes indicate the number of folks you helped". So it still stands that more primitive problems will get more upvotes, but it feels more justified, because people are just more likely to hit those than more nuanced problems, so more upvotes means you will have unblocked more people / saved more people-hours that would have been spent inefficiently.
    – Zoltán
    Commented Jul 25 at 15:55
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    In addition, the breadth of computer programming is far greater than the breadth of a single scientific field (say, Chemistry for example). There's a lot you might not know about in Chemistry, but generally you can probably tell when an answer is solid in theory or sound in logic. In programming, different languages can work completely differently, so there's no guarantee that people who see your content will be at all familiar with that language or its peculiarities. Even the number you start counting from could be different!
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 25 at 18:21
  • I think this is just as true with smaller sites as well - I probably get more reputation per post on Meta.SE with posts of broad interest to that community, than I do on super user. Admittedly I'm not really at the point where I'm too bothered by either, and I'm aware a lot of the issues I have these days are painfully niche. Commented Jul 26 at 5:11
  • @Zoltán Just see my answers and their votes, I so often get down-votes on technically correct answers, assumedly from people who failed to apply the provided solution - and immense number of upvotes, whenever I can find some new error message, for which I can provide a line of code, which causes the error message to disappear. I usually upvote, whenever an answer actually taught me something. Commented Jul 26 at 7:33
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    @TylerH Re "the breadth of computer programming is far greater than the breadth of a single scientific field (say, Chemistry for example)", I think the exact opposite is true. If someone is a competent developer, but knows nothing about (say) Rust, they could apply themselves and become a SME in a fairly short period of time. I don't think that argument would hold for (say) chemistry or physics or biochemistry.
    – skomisa
    Commented Jul 26 at 8:01
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    When you answer niche questions, especially old ones, almost nobody will bother to upvote. People only seem to upvote in extraordinary cases, if they agree with everything about the question and the answer. On the other hand you can easily gain a downvote (or even a vote to close) because someone disliked one detail of the answer or didn't like the question.
    – Nemo
    Commented Jul 26 at 13:11
  • @skomisa Physics and Chemistry are different fields, so that's not really an apt comparison. Biochem would, but that's no different than someone using R for statistics or data science instead of traditional programming--there's overlap on multiple sites. ANd if you talk about someone applying themselves and learning, that's just syllogistically throwing the premise out the window. If someone takes the time to learn a new subject, related or not, of course they will then know about that subject. How long it takes them to learn something is irrelevant.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jul 26 at 13:40
  • @Zoltán you may like to believe* that, but only because you're not thinking. The people you're thinking of aren't registered. They don't care about rep or voting culture. They aren't here to stroke their fragile ego. Voting is a concern of validation seeking hobbyists. They don't share these motivations. What you believe seems unlikely. Commented Jul 26 at 17:33
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Yes. This can be explained by multiple things, one of which -at least for me- important, is about the global amount of votes.

For me, the first generation of users vote more than others as they know the importance of voting. It's also necessary to make the website work (otherwise no one can have gain the privilege to comment, which can be difficult ...).

On Stack Overflow, the first generation of users helped the site grow, but they are now partially leaving the website. Now a new generation is coming which is not fully trained to the Q&A system.

We can see this with the amount of votes per month cast on questions less than 31 days after the question was created (SEDE query):

Amount of votes per month

Also because the amount of new users is getting lower (SEDE query) (here the picture shows the total number of users):

amount of total users

To conclude, we are witnessing more inactive users, or existing users not participating because they do not really care anymore.

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  • This analyses is fundamentally incomplete because the main factor is votes/time/post. You'd have to normalize per post, and for a broader picture it'd be necessary to consider views/post and correlate that with members/(total number of posts) to account for RyanM's hypothesis that repository size dilutes attention/post and thus votes/post
    – bad_coder
    Commented Jul 25 at 14:40
  • @bad_coder Yes it could be completed with more analysis. But, as now there is all previous posts that are already valuable and can still get votes. So, we have more users, more posts but less votes. We know the amount of vote/post will decrease. And this need lot of research, but that's the job of SO staff ;)
    – Elikill58
    Commented Jul 25 at 14:43
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    I also don't agree with the negativeness that users are leaving and the first generation was the best and voted a lot more. Because that doesn't account for the thousands of off-topic posts that got lots of upvotes and were completely useless, opinion-based, trivial, duplicate, etc... The main fact is that posting has gotten harder as repositories mature and the Q&A programming marketplace has more competition than when SO started and enjoyed a near monopoly.
    – bad_coder
    Commented Jul 25 at 14:43
  • For this point, you're not wrong. It's more difficult now to keep your post opened than at the beginning, almost everything were allowed (we can see it with bad posts from 2011 closed few month ago...). Also, I didn't explain it in the answer, but the "users are leaving" is also about the direction of SO and multiple issue with Staff/decision etc that can lead users that were investing time into SO to leave the community and continue as simple user without really take the time to interact
    – Elikill58
    Commented Jul 25 at 14:45
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    One thing worth emphasizing is that the first graph only shows votes on questions (rather than votes on all kinds of posts).
    – E_net4
    Commented Jul 25 at 14:58
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    "We can see this with the amount of votes per month" is a very misleading summary for that particular query. That query shows "the number of votes questions got within the month they were posted". So it's not "amount of votes per month" which would be much more considering votes which are older than months as well as votes on answers. Commented Jul 25 at 15:17
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    What on earth happened in... looks like early 2015? Commented Jul 25 at 20:31
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    Making a split between old gen and new gen is relevant, but I'd also say there is a middle gen. In my eyes, and meta more and more frequently proves this, the actual old gen think of the site as it was when they signed up; pretty much the wild west with few rules. They operate in a bubble and just answer whatever they please as they've always done. Old gen is starting to realize now what middle gen already knows; they are painfully aware of how Stack Overflow grew and its many rule changes and tries to adhere to them strictly to this day. While the new gen just want this site to be Reddit.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 26 at 9:41
  • @Gimby I couldn't resist my urge to write a comment to appreciate this. Very well put! Commented Jul 27 at 12:55
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I'm probably part of the new generation, that votes very rarely. But

  1. The attention span. Not just instagram and other social media with scrolling habbit, there is a lot of work in work, the higher the effectivity, the higher the workload expected from you, which especially as young dev puts you in difficult position to get the grasp on the things. You don't know from which technologies to choose, you feel lost in the amount of frameworks, ... while in job you just develop inhouse stuff for which you won't find help here or neither can ask questions due to the fact, that nobody knows it.

  2. It's easier to answer political, theoretical, hypothetical, or other just 'want-opinion-like' questions stuff, where you don't have to think that much. If it's close to the pub-talk it will get more answers.

I will try to give upvotes from now on.

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  • somewhat related: meta.stackexchange.com/q/386212/997587
    – starball
    Commented Jul 25 at 22:20
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    @Minko_Minkov You have some reasonable critiques here. However, regarding "I've also written questions myself, and just had toxic commentors respond.", I looked to see if there was maybe a user in need of moderation. Here's every comment ever posted to your questions: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Could you please clarify which of these are the ones where just toxic commenters responded?
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jul 26 at 3:54
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    @RyanM My apologies for my previous message; it was over-exaggerated. I was using examples I had seen in the past to convey my criticisms of the site, and I may have pushed it a bit. It can be difficult to convey tone in writing, and I assure you I'm not overly upset. I realize that using the word "toxic" might be a bit harsh. What I meant was that a couple of individuals in the screenshots seemed more focused on getting the question taken down rather than being helpful. I may have a different threshold or perspective on what constitutes (very minorly) toxic behavior. Commented Jul 26 at 4:15
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    I wanted to share some constructive criticism about the site. Despite this, I still find the site valuable and continue to use it. But I can be overbearing in my negative criticisms. Commented Jul 26 at 4:19
  • @Minko_Minkov: If someone thinks a question should be closed, it's fairly normal for them to comment about why, with the intended audience being other potential close-voters, not just the person who posted the question. (Or to encourage OP to delete before more downvotes.) Some people will actively avoid helping in comments on questions they don't think should have been posted, because that encourages more low-quality questions by giving the poster what they wanted. I haven't looked at your questions and don't know how much if any of that applies to comments under your posts. Commented Jul 26 at 17:58
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    @Fe2O3 Flagging is the correct approach. It hasn't been handled yet because there are hundreds of flagged comments and no one has gotten to that one yet. With current moderator levels and the dramatic increase in moderator workload due to AI-generated content, you should expect to need to wait more than 3 hours in the general case, especially depending on when you flag something. Please be patient and we will handle such flags eventually.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jul 26 at 22:24
  • @Minko_Minkov "and is by all means, not beginner friendly at all." Yes, it's not meant to be. It's a site for professionals and hobbyists, not for people starting out and not for learning. It's for solving and answering programming issues and questions via Q&A, and even more importantly, helping future visitors with that. "At the end of the day, with how good AI is at answering questions, why should I bother with toxic SO anymore?" if it really works for you, then sure. I would still not call it "good" at answering questions. 1/2 Commented Jul 27 at 12:04
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    @Minko_Minkov 'Programming is more than just "How do I write this code?." It's also, "How do you deploy this on a server?"' Yes, and we have dedicated StackExchange sites for those things. We have devops, superuser, software engineering, webmasters, and a lot more for things that are other than the purpose of StackOverflow. StackOverflow, however, is for the sole purpose of having high-quality Q&A about programming (writing code) that helps out the questioner, but more importantly, helps out future visitors. It should act like a library of Q&A just for code, pretty much. 2/3 Commented Jul 27 at 12:08
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    @Minko_Minkov 'and then a mod will come in and take down the question because "Question is not direct enough." Well in my opinion, because I understood what they were asking, it actually was direct enough.' Are you sure that they would appear as "direct enough" to future visitors as they do to you? Once again, the objective is to help future vistors with a similar problem, not the OP alone. The OP's question, and your answers, are both stepping stones to achieve that goal. If a question and its answer(s) only help the OP alone, then I would argue they are not very useful at all. 3/3 Commented Jul 27 at 12:10
  • @SyedM.Sannan "then I would argue they are not very useful at all." This is a self-fulfilling assessment. Maximally, when three readers "don't like" a certain question that question to be closed and eventually purged. Over the last 16 years, how many times has the same question been asked and then purged, only to be asked again weeks or months later? I witnessed, on at least two occasions, reasonable questions purged within hours of being posted. (I checked. The repository holds no retrievable copy of the subject being asked.) Unacknowledged bias is inherent in the system.
    – Fe2O3
    Commented Jul 28 at 5:07
  • @Fe2O3 If you think a post was deleted incorrectly, then ping one of the mods or members who have enough reputation to vote to undelete inside a chatroom and have them assess the problem. I don't disagree with the fact that there can be biases and mistakes, all curators on this site are humans (At least, I wish to think so.). But the point is that there are processes made to care to those mistakes and reverse things. If you genuinely think a post shouldn't have been deleted, then by all means, have it reviewed again. 1/2. Commented Jul 28 at 5:48
  • @Fe2O3 However, if they come to the same conclusion multiple times, maybe ask them, or yourself, if there might have actually been a problem with that post. I am sure you would know at that point anyways. 2/2. Commented Jul 28 at 5:48
  • @SyedM.Sannan Been down that road... One Q was badly phrased, but comprehensible and salvageable. (One hi-rep user posted a good answer!) I attempted to "lightly" improve the text of the question, but adamant moderator argued, "You cannot read the OP's mind." No?? I and several others had NO difficulty understanding a fixable question, but moderator would brook no resistance... Poof! Q&A gone off into oblivion... Even in THIS very thread, I see one of my comments has been purged because someone didn't like having their lack of appreciation pointed out... The system is broken...
    – Fe2O3
    Commented Jul 28 at 5:54
  • @SyedM.Sannan The user posting this question ("low hanging fruit") has acquired >30K rep pts since 2008 as a result. Does this mean that they are "knowledgeable" in 2024? This EASILY could have been their one-and-only "newbie" question posted 16 years ago, and they return to the site 16 years later with astonishing "powers" that more recent inductees have no hope of achieving... The system is broken...
    – Fe2O3
    Commented Jul 28 at 6:02
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    @SyedM.Sannan "The site has evolved heavily [since 2008]..." However, one glaring problem has been ill-conceived, manifest for years, debated to death, yet left unaddressed... I agree. Time to let this go. Wishing you a pleasant day... Cheers!...
    – Fe2O3
    Commented Jul 28 at 8:14

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