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This question has an explanation of the problem and a pattern that is tried by the OP.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55952798/need-help-to-construct-regex

To me this question is not unclear at all, it is explained with the wrong result and has an expected result.

A moderator single handedly closed and removed the question, which I think is a wrong approach.

Can this question be reopened?

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    Voted to reopen, this looks on topic, although OP could clarify exactly what their input specification is a bit clearer--it's hard to infer from the 2 examples given which are quite different. Aside: it's amazing to me that people still attempt to answer regex questions. Don't 98% of them get closed as a dupe of the one canonical? (statistic made up)
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:40
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    It does seem weird that it was deleted, but i don't see any value that was lost.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:42
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    The Title ("Need help to construct regex") is completely useless (= non-descriptive), for sure...!
    – chivracq
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:47
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    "Need help to construct regex" can describe basically any regex question on the site.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:51
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    Nothing of value was lost. The question is just noise. One specific user was helped with their current homework/task, fine. But frankly, I fail to see what's the point of actually wanting this around, besides the possible reputation gain. If one is willing to spend time answering something of so little value, some effort should at least be spent polishing the specimen into something more respectable, IMO.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:59
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    My point here is that a single moderator thought lets immediately remove this clearly explained question, where SO is meant for. Commented Jun 10 at 15:03
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    SO is meant to be a repository of useful questions and answers. There's nothing useful about the thousandth "debug my regex" question. The least it could do is have a descriptive title.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:04
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    You keep insisting on "a single moderator", which is not really relevant. Moderator actions are supposed to be binding, and their votes to be executed without having to consult a committee. That's how's supposed to work. Yes, these actions can also be wrong and can be contested; but there is nothing inherently wrong with a moderator doing something like this single-handedly.
    – yivi
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:09
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    I'm generally against the manual deletion of questions like this because it's wasted effort. Now there's a dozen plus people involved in a question that was just sitting idle in a database simply acting as one more low quality source to feed LLM's. It'd never come up in search given the title and lack of a clear definable question and over 5 years it gained a measly 70ish views. but i'm certainly against it being reopened... now we have a chance to make it roomba worthy so it never comes back, or to fix it so it's a useful addition. Which one makes more sense?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:10
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    Moderators singlehandedly close and delete questions all the time. If a user wants to contest that decision, they are welcome to ask on meta as you did. This way the community gets to have a voice and they can also cast their own close/reopen votes or up/down votes.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:10
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    @Dharman No? Because our delvotes are binding, closing and deleting questions is reserved for exceptional cases precisely because it can't be undone by users without moderator intervention if it's fixed. You should not be closing and deleting questions as a mod on a regular basis -- leave deletion for roomba and/or 10k users instead Commented Jun 10 at 17:06
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    @Zoe I disagree. Where does it say that? Mods are encouraged to use their powers. That's why we have them.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:18
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    I agree w/ Dharman--while moderators should be aware of the binding nature of their delete votes, that should not dissuade them from using the power regularly where they legitimately feel it is warranted.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:45
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    All that effort to get the deletion of that question reversed only for it to be deleted. Why exactly did we waste our time to restore the question only to close it as a duplicate then delete it? There are not enough close reasons to cover every possibility, so questions will be closed with the "wrong" close reason, does not mean they shouldn't be closed and deleted. Commented Jun 11 at 14:59
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    I am also a little irked by the reference to "powers" here, that betrays the wrong mindset. You have privileges. Privileges come with a code of conduct.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jun 12 at 10:01

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A question needs to be useful to the community. That is its main goal. A question cannot just be a statement about the author trying to do something or needing help with something. People search for solutions to concrete problem statements. This question has a horrible title and there isn't even a question asked in this question. It's just a description of what the author was doing.

I would be ok with it being undeleted and reopened if it was edited to be a proper and useful question. Right now it has no value to the community and I see no way that we could make it into a unique and useful question.

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    Thanks for needlessly closing and deleting a question that is clear. If the title is a reason to remove it, you can remove a lot of questions (or just update the title and let it be) Commented Jun 10 at 14:56
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    I'd generally prefer people who are invested in the question, such as the answerer or even the OP, to perform an edit to an entirely useless title rather than any random passer's-by. this Q&A pair has existed for 5 years, it's had plenty of time to be fixed.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 14:58
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    @Thefourthbird And that's exactly what I am doing. I am cleaning up useless questions. And the question is not clear. We may disagree, but as I have just explained, I can't even see a question in that post.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:01
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    If the answerer or the OP can turn this post into a proper question then it would be great. Maybe it would become findable and helpful to others. But in the past 5 years nobody did that. I try to salvage questions that look reasonable but only have a bad title or some small quality issues, but when I see a question that I can't improve myself I will just close and delete it.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 15:05
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    Nobody commented to ask OP to clarify in that 5 year span, and they accepted the answer, so it's not reasonable to expect them to improve their question absent of nothing. The question was satisfactorily clear enough to be answered and accepted, so it was resolved to the satisfaction of the community, as far as OP had been appraised of. There's a pre-deletion feedback process that should happen.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 18:12
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    @Thefourthbird I think a reasonable takeaway here is that when answering, you should try to improve a question so that it can be useful to a future person with a similar problem (the Explainer/Refiner/Illuminator badge series exists to encourage this). An answerer is ideally situated to write a better title, as they understand the root issue. As-is, even assuming the question is clear (which is not beyond debate), it's not in a position to help anyone else.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 11 at 18:52
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I deleted the question again.

It was a mercy kill for several reasons.

First, OP was not the one who brought the question to the Meta and no matter how poor it was, it still doesn't deserve the pile of downvotes it was getting.

Next, there was very little value there to begin with, and it was not being improved to the point we can honestly say it will have bright future as a good duplicate sign post.

I would also urge the Meta folks, to have more consideration when voting both up and down in such situations as they are not making the discussion and resolution of such issues easier.

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    At this point, probably a good call. The consensus of this thread seems to reduce to "don't ask regex questions on Stack Overflow" as far as I can tell, since this is well above average for a regex question (clear input, expected result, attempt, answerable and answered), and fourth bird is pretty much one of the top regex SMEs we have.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 11 at 18:15
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    @ggorlen It's really not clear...for example, the answer assumes, for no clear reason, that the operation can have at most one underscore. It's even possible that the format is not actually unambiguous: there is not a completely clear indication which fields can have underscores; if the version can have underscores, it's ambiguous. It's probably reasonable to assume that the example data has underscores in every field where that's possible; however, that still doesn't fix the ambiguity regarding the operation field (were I answering, I would have assumed an unlimited number of underscores).
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 11 at 18:48
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    @RyanM Sure, it's not perfectly clear, just above average (check out all the "similar questions" linked from it if you want to see some truly awful questions that weren't deleted--check out this one or this one, to pick a random couple examples. Pure "gimmeh teh codez"). But the backlash against it is way out of proportion. It's a "leave a comment asking for clarification"-level issue.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 11 at 19:07
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    @RyanM And yes, I'm aware of the meta effect. Just agreeing with "it still doesn't deserve the pile of downvotes it was getting." and "I would also urge the Meta folks, to have more consideration when voting both up and down in such situations as they are not making the discussion and resolution of such issues easier."
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 11 at 19:28
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    @ggorlen That first one is completely clear, it just had a bad title (which has now been improved to a title that describes a problem someone else might have). The second one is in fact pretty bad; I closed it, and the system will automatically delete it in the near future.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 11 at 20:50
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    @RyanM The requirements are clear but there's no attempt, so it's off topic. There's no technical question, just a work order. Some in this thread have mentioned relevance based on views--this has 87 views since 2012 and I'm sure a chunk of those are from today. I'm not sure I agree on relevance based on that metric alone, though. Anyway, it's a bit of an aside from the main point--there are thousands of worse regex questions than the one here. (I've answered over 100 regex questions so I think I have a pretty good idea). Doesn't excuse the issues here, but it's definitely above-average.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 11 at 20:53
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    @ggorlen when 99% of the questions people try to ask about regex are "here's the entire regex; why does it (match the wrong things) | (not match the wrong things)?", then yes, the correct response is going to create an impression of "don't ask regex questions on Stack Overflow". The fact that regex is a one-liner code golf language (that people fail to recognize as a language at all) does not excuse a failure to produce a proper MRE, nor to apply standard debugging skills (including basic logical reasoning) before asking. Commented Jun 12 at 12:39
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    @ggorlen "The requirements are clear but there's no attempt, so it's off topic." Lack of problem-solving effort is not a close reason.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:33
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    @RyanM That's not what I've understood. Anyone can just dump problems without asking a specific technical question about their code attempt? We only answer specific, technical programming questions, not fulfill work orders. Those are for freelancing sites. If nothing has been attempted, then there's no technical problem yet, just a business one, so it's "too broad" for SO. #3 in your link doesn't apply, because they haven't actually encountered a technical problem yet. Those only arise after making an attempt.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:36
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    @RyanM Here's another example: "Please write a React component that has an input box and a list of items that the user has entered. When the user presses Enter after typing into the input, the text from the input is appended to the list and the input box is cleared." This is a business request, too broad and off-topic, even though the requirements are crystal clear. The regex question we're discussing is identical, except a different technology. It's not a matter of effort, per se, it's a matter of whether they're asking a technical question or placing a work order for a freelancer or ChatGPT.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:44
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    @ggorlen "Anyone can just dump problems without asking a specific technical question?" Of course not, but that has nothing to do with an attempt. The question is whether a specific technical question is being asked, & a description of a specific, reasonably focused task is a specific technical question (the question, if not specifically stated, is implied to be "How do I accomplish this task?"). Debugging questions are worse than how-tos. "We only answer specific, technical programming questions, not work orders." Sure, but again: nothing to do with an attempt. ... [1/2]
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:47
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    [2/2] A work order is a list of requirements; emphasis on list (your React example is a good example of this). A single requirement, such as "validate that a string contains only digits and hyphens" (in some sense, this is 2 requirements, but it's a common enough use case—US social security numbers, for example—that it's effectively one requirement), is exactly the sort of question that we want. "If nothing has been attempted, then there's no technical problem yet, just a motivational one." This does not follow. If one has no idea how to do something, what useful attempt can be made?
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:47
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    @RyanM You begin by writing a regex to match any string, and refine it to meet some requirements. A question needs to show some level of baseline knowledge. If you don't know how to even write a regex that matches anything, then you don't have the technical background to be asking. At least sketch out a solution attempt and try to build any small piece of the puzzle. See ericlippert.com/2014/03/21/find-a-simpler-problem: 'Can you write “Hello world” in this language?'. "Write this function for me" or "write this regex for me" or "write this app for me" are all too broad.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 12 at 16:49
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    @RyanM Also, our question drafter prompt says "What did you try and what were you expecting? Describe what you tried, what you expected to happen, and what actually resulted. Minimum 20 characters." Why would it bother with this if it's not a requirement? Most askers fill this in with something BS like "I tried some stuff but it didn't work. I'm expecting it to work but it didn't work." which isn't specific enough to be useful. So we really do need some kind of attempt.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 12 at 17:09
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    @ggorlen I think that what we learned here is that if one answers unclear questions and is not fine with that answer being removed some time in the future, one should always edit the question and improve it as much as possible.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Jun 12 at 18:14
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Let's consider the crux of the question. OP had this regex:

(?<programName>[a-zA-Z0-9]+)_(?<other>.+)_(?<boardSN>I.+)_(?<entityNameProgramVersion>.+)_(?<operation>.+)_

and sought to match it at the beginning of this input:

CLOB_ABCD_6KW_SYSTEM_609-784_IWHT91831863_197_ACB_01_2019-05-02T07.03.27

And expected to capture:

  • CLOB as the programName
  • ABCD_6KW_SYSTEM_609-784 as the other
  • IWHT91831863 as the boardSN
  • 197 as the entityNameProgramVersion
  • ACB_01 as the operation

... but instead, the 197 part ended up in the boardSN, and ACB_01 was split up to form the entityNameProgramVersion and operation.

The somewhat irritating thing about discussing specific questions on Meta is that sometimes I have to actually answer the question to provide enough context for the policy discussion ;)

This happens, of course, because the regex uses only standard greedy matches. The basic idea of OP's regex is to split the string at _ separators, but only consider certain of those separators - because most of the values are also allowed to contain that character. OP's idea is to disallow _ in the programName and require the boardSN to start with I - so those results are kosher, as long as the other doesn't need to contain _I. But then we get to parsing the part starting with the boardSN.

The trailing _ on the regex matches the last _ in the input, but having backtracked that far, we are left with four _-separated items (IWHT91831863, 197, ACB and 01) to distribute among the last three capturing groups. Since the matches are greedy, the first of these capturing groups (the boardSN) will get the first two of those.


So. What's wrong with the question?

  1. The question is unclear because a) the question is framed like "what's wrong with this code?", but the code is a single line buried under paragraphs of problem specification. (If it were intended as a how-to question, then it would be clearly unsuitable, since we don't write custom code to specification.)

  2. The question is again unclear because the names of the capturing groups don't match the names used in describing the desired and actual results. Yes, this is nitpicking, but seeing those two sets of names is disorienting - especially since both sets look like identifier names in a program rather than a plain language description.

  3. The question is again unclear because of the overall poor copyediting. The title gives us no indication of what to expect; there is no up-front description of the intended purpose of the code; there are some minor grammatical errors, etc. We're essentially dropped into the middle of the OP's thought process without any orientation and the problem is not introduced very well (what should "find a regex for the following lines" mean, especially when followed up by a single line?). In short, the question completely fails at checking off the boxes described in How to Ask.

  4. The question lacks a proper MRE. I know that must sound absurd at first blush: obviously the problem is reproducible (and we don't really need to see framing code to apply the regex, because... that's obviously not where the problem is); and the inputs and the regex are a single line each. How could that not be minimal? Well, the thing is, we don't count length in lines or bytes; we count it in conceptual steps, and wish to remove everything unnecessary. In this case, since the first two capturing groups apparently do what they're supposed to, we shouldn't see them, but only see the interesting part of the regex - and we should see simplified examples that are suited to be matched with just that part of the regex.

  5. The question is arguably a duplicate - and has been re-closed as such. Once one infers OP's thought process (which should have been explicitly stated), we conclude that OP expected (?<boardSN>I.+)_ to match only up to the immediate next underscore - a classic misunderstanding of regex that has been discussed countless times.

Now, most of these issues are easily fixable by editing - and in fact I intend to do so as soon as I post this answer. But there isn't any getting around the fact that this is yet another "regexes are greedy by default" problem. The accepted answer points this out and shows both viable workarounds (using character classes to force a shorter match, and using explicitly reluctant qualifiers). The suggested modification for the other group isn't actually necessary, which shows a pitfall of failing to minimize the example. The answer is also confused, in that it seems to imply that one approach is necessary in one case and the other approach in the other cases, when that simply isn't true.


At this point I'd like to emphasize: Why should I help close "bad" questions that I think are valid, instead of helping the OP with an answer?

Closing the question as a duplicate helps the OP and saves the time of would-be answerers. By having such duplicates, effort can be focused on making its answers as high quality as possible. When everyone works on the same set of answers instead of repeating the same work, higher quality is possible. The OP, meanwhile, gets to benefit from that high quality immediately, without being distracted by a spontaneous attempt at answering the same question (which is also hindered by the extra difficulty in identifying that it's the same question). Of course, that only really helps when it happens right away; but closing questions that should be closed, helps keep the site clean.

Expecting OP to meet these high standards helps everyone. When standards are met, it becomes much easier to recognize duplicates as duplicates, which makes it easier to close them as duplicates, which makes it easier to help OP right away. When the question isn't a duplicate, having questions that meet standards makes them easier to answer clearly, and also makes it easier for other people with the same problem to find the question and recognize that it is, indeed, the same problem.

Now that it's closed again, this question should IMO be deleted (even though I'm going to make edits to improve it anyway, just to make a point). The problem is that there is no value in the question as a signpost to future Stack Overflow readers. The title "Need help to construct regex" can't ever be helpful to anyone using a search engine. True, people with essentially the same problem might not know what to look for. But even if they thought to try something that generic and non-descript (and if you're really at that point, why not just use an actual discussion forum?) they would have no hope of correctly identifying this question as the one with the answer they seek, out of a horde of countless other questions with similarly useless titles that are about completely different problems. (For reference: the site search currently shows me 260,388 questions in ; and I'd hazard a guess that approximately 260,388 of them could be accurately described as OP trying to get help with creating a regex.) To fix this problem would require completely replacing the title. But there is no good (i.e. searchable) title to use here that isn't already covered by other duplicates for the canonical. (Keep in mind that, in addition to use in search engines, titles exist to serve curators who search for duplicates to close other questions.)

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I propose three general curation philosophies as a simplification to help discuss the question at hand:

  1. Questions should aim to be generalized and have value for a reasonably large audience of users on the site. The ideal question is a canonical/wiki/FAQ for maximum value, and questions that are too specific to a single asker's needs should be downvoted/closed/deleted. Helping an asker solve their specific problem is unimportant, except for the extent to which it helps the community.
  2. Questions can be fairly single-user specific. As long as they're reasonably well-researched, reasonably novel, clear and answerable, they're on topic, even if the problem is unique to one user, or a few users.
  3. Virtually everything is on topic. The SO community should accept just about any programming question. If a prospective answerer can't help or finds an issue with a question, leave it alone instead of taking curation action.

I'm squarely in camp #2 (I'm not going to spend time discussing camp #3--the debate in this thread is between camps #1 and #2, but it's worth pointing out because some camp #2 can be mistakenly lumped in with camp #3).

There's nothing in our guidelines that says a question needs to be, or attempt to be, popular or generalized to any extent for it to be on topic. If it happens to become a canonical naturally (mainly through SEO luck), that's great, and we should strive to steer things towards generality and helping future visitors when possible. But general solutions often come from specific problems, and we need a specific, reproducible problem to make an issue concrete and answerable.

If a topic is a duplicate, but the asker has made a reasonable attempt to find the duplicate, or there is a reasonable variation on the fundamental question, I don't see a problem with erring on the side of leaving a question up, assuming it's on topic in all other aspects. Perhaps a duplicate vote may be necessary, but not moderator deletion.

Camp #1 users tend to delete and dupe-hammer any question that bears passing resemblance to a canonical thread, or conceivably could have been found elsewhere, or if the question is too specific to one user's problem. The tag winds up devolving into a handful of canonical posts that bear little relevance to anyone's specific issue.

This phenomenon has been discussed extensively in threads like What should we do when one person tries to delete every duplicate? so I won't rehash the issues with this style of curation here, but overaggressive curation to this extent is harmful to the community.

Now, the question we're discussing in this thread seems to fall more or less in camp #2. It's almost certainly not going to become canonical (in general, it's hard to predict which ones will), but it's a practical, answerable programming problem with a reproducible attempt, which seems on topic to me. I've found solutions to deep, annoying issues in seldom-used technologies solved by threads that are 6 years old and have 30 views. If those had been deleted because they never become popular (impossible in small tags like, say, ), I'd probably never have found an answer.

My main issue with the question is that, like many regex questions, the scope of valid inputs is unclear. OP presents

CLog_DMT_HPCC2_IWHT91731695_242_AFT1_2019-05-02T07.51.43

as the first input to match, but then presents

CLOB_ABCD_6KW_SYSTEM_609-784_IWHT91831863_197_ACB_01_2019-05-02T07.03.27

as a non-working variant. But what exactly is the specification here? Does the answer also need to match

CLOT_XY%X_!@#$_S%%$$$$_64$09-@@_IWHT91831863_197_ACB_01_2019-05-02T07.03.27

next? OP should clarify exactly what the set of valid inputs is to avoid an endless slope of "OK, thanks, but now match X input I didn't tell you about yet" follow-ups which I've seen many times back in my regex days. (Ironically, I left the tag because most of my answers were deleted before they had a chance to be useful to a wider audience beyond the asker.)

The title can also be improved. It's too generic, although it's hard to come up with a better one based on the question content. Maybe if OP provided more context, like "Regex pattern to match nginx logs" (I'm making that up, it's not an nginx log, but you get the idea), the additional context might make it a commonly-searched question, or help answerers determine that it's really an XY problem and there may be a more direct solution than a regex.

I can see the question being closed as "unclear what you're asking", and follow-up comments being posted to address these medium-level concerns, but a moderator deletion on the grounds of "not useful to the community" seems like overreach.

Since the deletion, the question has been reopened, then closed as a dupe. This is a better outcome than deletion, but it's closed as a dupe of an overly-broad, FAQ/Wiki-style canonical that OP or future visitors to the thread aren't likely to have the context to be able to adapt to their particular scenario, or even be expected to find in advance. They'd have to know what their problem is to be able to search for something like "Greedy vs. Reluctant vs. Possessive Qualifiers".

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    "There's nothing in our guidelines that says a question needs to attempt to be, or be a candidate for being canonical for it to be on topic." that's a strawman. I don't think there are a lot of people who believe every single question should be a canonical. But questions are expected to help more than one person.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:53
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    @VLAZ It's not a strawman. The other answer states: "A question needs to be useful to the community. That is its main goal. A question cannot just be a statement about the author trying to do something or needing help with something." What made them arrive at these conclusions? These are pulled out of thin air, from the minds of camp #1, not our site guidelines. Please show me the guideline that says "if your question is too unique and not useful to a certain number of future visitors, don't ask".
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:54
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    The whole of 1. is a strawman you've concocted. Then you defeated it with the claim that it's not in the guidelines. It's not. It's also not a view hold by many or maybe even any.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:57
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    It's not a strawman. There are a small number users in camp #1, that clearly feel this way, but they have disproportionate power. See the regex link for the most visible example. Why else would people delete and blast away questions just because they're too specific to one user? I had a question I'd answered blasted away this morning for that very reason, even though nobody could come up with a decent duplicate.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:58
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    "It's not a strawman." it is.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:59
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    How is it a strawman? How do you suggest I change it so you feel it isn't? It seems like a clear recap of the viewpoint given in this answer and the behavior of certain power users on the site: in short, the view is that all questions need to be canonical, and if they're not, blast 'em away, either by deletion or dupe, plus DVs, as was clearly done to the post in this thread (and countless others policed by certain camp #1 power users most users who've been on the site for awhile are familiar with, if they've strayed into one of their tags).
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 16:59
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    In fact, one of the users who voted to close this regex question against a random general FAQ-style wiki thread also dupe hammered the question I answered today. So yeah, it's clearly the same handful of people behaving exactly as I've described in camp #1, killing most questions in their favorite tags and being generally detrimental to the body of knowledge. The problem really does exist in regex as well as other tags and is well-documented. Not something I made up.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:04
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    It's an interesting POV. The site is community-run so there will always be different opinions on what the site should be and what type of questions are ok. However, it's inherent in the design of this site that questions should be useful to other people and not just the OP. Otherwise, the question would be deleted after being answered (like in help desk software) and not searchable from the search engines. If the question is answerable then we may never know if it will ever be helpful to at least 1 more person, but if we are trying to direct people to better answers then dup closures are ok.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:14
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    And occasional deletion of a very low-quality question can help people not waste time when they are searching for their problem's answer on SO. There's no point in actively seeking out questions to delete, but a mod or SME can review it if they encounter it. And if others disagree then it's also ok. Questions can be undeleted and reopened.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:17
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    @VLAZ Sure, I've presented a simplification of multiple viewpoints. That's just how categorization and analysis of trends works. Yes, I'm trying to discredit it, that's the point. It's not a caricature because all of the beliefs for camp #1 I've mentioned are backed up by the actions the people in the camp take on a daily basis. Again, we don't require that questions hit a certain number of views to be on topic or useful. You've invented that just now. Maybe one of those views was someone who saved their company $100k by fixing a serious bug. Who knows? Usefulness isn't 1:1 with views.
    – ggorlen
    Commented Jun 10 at 17:18
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    I don't think anyone abused their dupe hammer/vote here or on the other question mentioned. Duplicate closure is good, not only for the OP, but for the site as a whole. It's answering the question without reposting the same solution over and over again. These last comments are off-topic, so I will remove them. If you want to discuss the duplicate closure of the other question, please post a new meta question.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 19:27
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    @ggorlen "if your question is not popular enough, too specific to your own problem, or not destined to become canonical, it will be closed and deleted" no one here but you had said that. Where are you getting that from? Don't try to extrapolate normal curation activities into whatever you assume users are doing. Commented Jun 10 at 19:40
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    There's a whole lot of nuance beign completely left out between #1 and #2. I can care less about canonicalization, and certainly support questions primarily aimed at helping a single user, as your group 2 suggests. However, posts must have some use to future visitors if they are to remain undeleted on the site. regex questions statistically never do.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 19:44
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    The topic of this meta post was me closing and deleting a question which I believed to be unclear. The counterargument was that the OP was helped by the answerer so the question must have been clear enough. The question was reopened and then reclosed. I still argue that the way it was written before was unclear. After Karl's edit, it became significantly better, but it's still a duplicate. So the second half of the conundrum still exists: is this question useful enough to keep around as a signpost.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 10 at 19:48
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    Put another way, i feel you're dumping a bunch of people into camp #1 who don't agree with most of what you've outlined in group #1 but also don't agree with your stance here as someone from group #2, for the purpose of "discrediting them".
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 10 at 20:16

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