I've just noticed that R and PHP are the only programming languages with their own Collective. A lot of the "discussions" in the PHP Collective are more fitted to be questions (such as this one or this one). If you are thinking that it would be a good place to hold discussions, why don't we have a Collective for other programming languages except for R and PHP—we could do JavaScript, Python, HTML, CSS, Node.js; the list goes on and on! So why do we have this oddball?
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2To be fair, discussions are going site-wide in a test starting.... next month, so some time between 3 hours from now and a month from now?– Kevin BCommented Jan 31 at 21:34
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12Instead of creating more collectives, just get rid of them. IMO, PHP is entirely deprecated, so I don't see the point of it having a collective, and why of all languages, PHP was selected, but either way, there are so many programming languages that making a collective for each of them would probably not be the best idea.– FastnlightCommented Jan 31 at 21:35
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8"we don't have any programming collectives other than PHP"? I guess R Language is taking the L then?– LaurelCommented Jan 31 at 21:54
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6@Laurel R is just one letter, PHP is 3 so it's more of a language. err, well, 2, with one repeating, but, still more!– Kevin BCommented Jan 31 at 21:56
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1@Laurel I have added the R language to my post.– SE UserCommented Jan 31 at 22:27
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5but otherwise, Yes, of course, the solution to collectives being too exclusive is to remove them, not expand them! i 100% agree with that idea, despite my summary making a sarcastic remark about that being an absurd idea. Until they have features that are better walled off in a collective than open site-wide, they don't have a reason to exist. I don't yet know how articles could exist outside of collectives, but surely being locked to only allowing collectives to spawn them is a poor solution. Discussions will probably work no better or worse without the collective.– Kevin BCommented Jan 31 at 22:34
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7@Fastnlight: Re "PHP is entirely deprecated": It may not be favoured by the cool kids, but it is not deprecated.– Peter MortensenCommented Feb 1 at 13:42
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2I deprecate PHP every day, sometimes twice a day.– President James K. PolkCommented Feb 1 at 14:50
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Primarily because Collectives is really still mostly an experiment. It was meant to be a sub community area with a few extra features to help facilitate that community feeling like a sub community and not just another way to filter content. If it is to continue existing, I'd expect it to continue gaining new languages/technical areas over the next few years.
Discussions is an experiment to test a new content type and was limited to collectives so that it can exist in a smaller area and not impact the site as a whole. Discussions is expanding to all tags in February to test whether or not it will see wider usage/engagement when not contained within a collective.
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3I think discussions could be useful.. just.. i think the creation of new discussions needs to be far more controlled than just a link sitting in the side bar. A more chat-like realtime interface would also likely make it better– Kevin BCommented Jan 31 at 22:55
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2In a sense... my idea of a better implementation for discussions would be an improved chat with language-tag rooms that could, on demand, spawn discussions as needed that were just mini chatrooms that were advertised to the host chatroom, similar to how stars currently. wait... i just described what chat currently is.– Kevin BCommented Jan 31 at 23:01
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11I still like the idea of collectives as a honeypot for low-quality posts and spam that doesn't belong on the main site.– ggorlenCommented Feb 1 at 1:34