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It's 2023, almost nobody asks for books anymore, but they sure do ask for tutorials. So can we please update this close reason to match?

The "and more" bit is vague and unhelpful, so while we're at it can we spruce that up too?

Suggestion:

Seeking recommendations for tutorials, software libraries, tools, or other off-site resources

(yes I checked, yes it fits the dialog).

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    The last question asking for book recs was asked three days ago.
    – Laurel
    Sep 28 at 22:12
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    I agree with @Laurel, if we did change it, we should just add "tutorials" and leave it as is other than that.
    – zurgeg
    Sep 28 at 22:31
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    @Laurel I'm actually gobsmacked right now.
    – Ian Kemp
    Sep 29 at 9:16
  • The text in the help center's What topics can I ask about here? says: "Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it." Note that it says "recommend or find", an important addition, I feel, because some people have tried to skate around the prohibition by explicitly not asking for recommendations... Sep 29 at 14:39
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    @HereticMonkey it's interesting to me that the only reason listed is spam/opinion... for me, such questions are antithetical to SE entirely, regardless of other reasons. SE itself is the primary source of the information because it's the library and pointing to other resources without including the answer on site is detrimental to the long term value of the site. It's the question equivalent of link-only answers and would essentially encourage, if not require them to be allowed.
    – Catija
    Sep 30 at 14:56
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    I would recommend that any discussion about rewriting close reasons be broad enough to review all aspects of the customizable text. Right now you're focusing on the list of resources but I would recommend reviewing the entire text in the close modal and post notices. I'd say the guidance of when to use the close reason and the post notices have a lot of room for improvement and any CM tasked with making this change is unlikely to do so without that being discussed first.
    – Catija
    Sep 30 at 15:01
  • @Catija Indeed, that's always been my feeling on it. Using SE as a substitute for a search engine, really. If they want to know how to do something, they should ask how to do something. Oct 2 at 13:46

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How about something like:

seeking recommendations for software libraries, links to tutorials, blog posts, tools, books, or other similar third-party resources

  • Add "links to tutorials" to emphasize that this reason is not for questions asking how to do something (which are on-topic, if clear and focused).
  • "third-party" to emphasize that asking for a method within a specified framework or library is perfectly on-topic.
  • Add "blog posts" as an example to help define the category.
  • Sort in roughly descending order of frequency, as judged by my vague and unscientific recollection of how often I see them.

Input is welcome on any of those choices or the phrasing more generally.

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    TBH, I don't see a reason to update the text. Not that it can't be clearer but from experience it seems that the users who disagree with it do so via selective reading. Therefore, I doubt there is any collection of words that would make all people read and understand it properly. There would always be a users who claims "It doesn't apply to my question because it does not explicitly say to not ask about YouTube videos" or whatever.
    – VLAZ
    Sep 29 at 5:41
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    @VLAZ I'm not aiming for something that will cover all possible cases, just something that will hopefully be a bit more relevant to today's users.
    – Ian Kemp
    Sep 29 at 10:01
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Making changes that take into account a person living in 2023. I am in favour of such changes even if it would not make any difference, it is a good trend to set.

My offering would be another variant:

Asking for recommendations of any kind. Examples being tutorials, blog posts, sample code, libraries, tools or books.

Because any kind of recommendation request is asking for opinions and/or a spam lure.

It is also my opinion that the text should be as basic English as it can be. Which is why I expressly avoid the use of words such as "resource" or concepts such as "third parties". Let's not assume all people have the same definition there.

I put tutorials at the very front of the list, just in case someone is in a hurry and just can't afford the precious seconds to read to the end.

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  • it is not my understanding that any recommendation request is off topic. Ex. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386006/11107541
    – starball
    Sep 29 at 20:44
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    In the broadest sense, all questions are asking for recommendations - recommendations for how to fix a problem. The intention here is resource recommendations and removing that term without replacing it with something similar would make everything eligible for closure.
    – Catija
    Sep 30 at 14:48
  • @starball that would be the mission, to find some common description in which it is not left up to a personal understanding / interpretation / convenience. Agreed that the current version is throwing the net a little too wide. Boy, writing help texts is a skill of its own.
    – Gimby
    Oct 3 at 11:54

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