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After a lot of chatter about questions being off topic on Stack Overflow, I wanted to pose the question....

Should the tag be removed?

  1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?

    Yes, the concept is quite well defined and it is very specific file with specific format and usage (config for Apache servers).

  2. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

    While general "webserver configuration" is off-topic on Stack Overflow, there are large number of questions involving .htaccess file that are on-topic. So by itself it is not indication of being off-topic. Also guidance explicitly written out in the tag wiki.

  3. Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

    Likely, there are usually multiple ways to configure web servers/deal with code issues coming out of misconfigurations - adding .htaccess achieves "would like to get answers involving that file"/"likely caused by .htaccess" which is useful.

  4. Does it mean the same thing in all common contexts?

    Absolutely.

Several people suggested this in my posting : SO Biased : Help me understand why this question is not focused enough

Lets vote on it!

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    Perhaps someone should add one answer to the effect of "yes", and another one to the effect of "no" so that it's clear what upvotes indicate? I upvoted because it seems to make sense to have a post on the topic, but right now it's a little unclear what upvotes indicate. Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:05
  • I guess will have to judge by the up vs down votes. Up is get rid of it, Down is keep it.
    – user17929112
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:06
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    If we're voting if to get rid of it or not, then shouldn't this be formatted as a [burninate-request]?
    – Thom A
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:17
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    Just adding the tag doesn't make it a [burninate-request]; there is a process.
    – Thom A
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:19
  • Oh, didnt realize.
    – user17929112
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:21
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    @ThomA The OP isn't making a request to burninate it - they're asking whether or not people want the tag. I guess if people want it removed the next step would be a burninate request (which is admittedly a slightly awkward step). That would probably not be able to advance until after the moderation strike ends, though, since most of the people that actually perform that function are on strike. Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:26
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    @EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine and a burnination request is a great way to guage if it should go. Why add a extra "should we" step? Just start with the formal request.
    – Thom A
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:29
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    ihatzi I'm not sure why you ignored @ThomA comment about the process - I've added burnination criteria for you to the post - feel free to edit as you see fit (also I have hard time understanding why that tag is so off-topic that 70K+ questions need to be reviewed) Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 20:53
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    Yea, this tag doesn't even come close to qualifying for burnination. I think you took one user's dislike of the tag a little too seriously.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 21:09
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    .htaccess is one of those tags that I see on php questions, then immediately ignore (since I know next to nothing about how it actually works). I then inevitably circle back to to find that someone has provided an answer that perfectly solves the question, typically by modifying said .htaccess file. That, in and of itself, seems like a good enough reason for me for this tag to avoid burnination.
    – Tim Lewis
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 21:27
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    Is this really the hill you are willing to die on? There are so many more other completely worthless tags that should be removed that would actually be a net gain for the site/community. This is a hard "No" from me.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 23:00
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    If (and it's a big if) the tag were deemed to qualify where would many of these questions "go"? As mentioned there's over 70,000 questions for the tag and though some are probably mistags, and some just bad questions, many provide a good amount of helpful and useful information and it is about the .htaccess file; for this to even be considered I think we'd need to work out if there's a community better suited for the questions. Webmasters maybe? I know nothing about the community or the tag, so I have no idea.
    – Thom A
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 23:36
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    From the four criteria that you listed in your question, it looks like we should keep it. To paraphrase what you wrote: 1. Yes, it's well-defined and specific, 2. By itself it's not an indication for being off-topic, 3. It achieves something useful and 4. Absolutely, it means the same thing in all contexts. So to me this seems to be a clear indication that it should not be burninated. Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 17:31

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Since my comments probably caused this question, here's my (rather extreme) point of view:

All questions about configuring some server system are (or should be) off-topic unless they directly involve writing some code or the tool is exclusively used for development work (like configuring a compiler or IDE). All questions about tasks that are usually done by Server Admins should be asked on Server Fault.

There are a few gray areas like Docker, but everything related to configuring Apache, ISS, MySQL, ... should not be asked on Stack Overflow.

Burninating these tags is probably too much work (70k questions on are too much to handle), so I would for now only add a warning to the tag and close new questions but leave old questions as they are.

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    Why? I don't want to have to visit Stack Overflow, DBA, Server Fault, Webmasters and Super User when all I'm doing is getting my SQL-connected TLS-certified web app online in my dev environment. I find this distinction utterly pointless.
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 8:29
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    Yea, no. .htaccess rules are basically code. The tag clearly does not qualify for burnination. A user's dislike of a tag is not valid ground for it to be "censored" like that.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 8:30
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    @CodeCaster: C++ and OpenGL is what I've been teaching for a decade at university. Nowadays I'm developing 50% web stuff with C#/ISS/Azure and the other 50% are optimizing numerical simulation code. But why make that about me?
    – BDL
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 8:51
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    Ok, but can you explain why you think "everything related to configuring Apache, ISS, MySQL, ... should not be asked on Stack Overflow"? You can't just like state that as a fact, you know?
    – CodeCaster
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 9:05
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    @CodeCaster: Because there exists a specialized site for these questions. Imho it's better to have everything in one place instead of having it split over several communities. If there is a community consensus that server configuration questions are also on-topic on SO, that's also fine for me.
    – BDL
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 9:27
  • The vast majority of .htaccess questions are part of the "application code", they are not "configuring the web server". The ability to configure Apache using .htaccess is very limited. If you were to burninate .htaccess then you would need to also burn the related tags mod-rewrite, mod-alias, etc. which would be very silly.
    – MrWhite
    Commented Jul 19, 2023 at 0:00
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No, it should not be burninated.


Here's a comment from EJoshuaS:

Perhaps someone should add one answer to the effect of "yes", and another one to the effect of "no" so that it's clear what upvotes indicate? I upvoted because it seems to make sense to have a post on the topic, but right now it's a little unclear what upvotes indicate.

This one will be the "No" answer. Upvote this answer if you think it is on-topic for this site.

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    These answers are irrelevant. The tag doesn't come close to qualifying for burnination.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 22:16
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    If you're going to do this (which isn't necessarily a good idea here), then make the answers really clear. That means stating the position in a header on the first line. In other words, have the first line be Markdown like ## Yes, the [tag:.htaccess] tag is off-topic and should be removed or ## No, the [tag:.htaccess] tag is on-topic and should NOT be removed. As these are, someone has to read nearly to the end of the "answer" to know what they would be voting on, which wastes a lot of time and results in fewer people voting for the position and some down-voting due to lack of clarity.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Jul 17, 2023 at 22:23
  • @Makyen Point taken. I think I saw this on another meta one time (I don't remember the meta question) and I thought it seemed to work out okay. That's the main reason I did this.
    – Chipster
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 0:40
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Yes, it should be burninated.


Here's a comment from EJoshuaS:

Perhaps someone should add one answer to the effect of "yes", and another one to the effect of "no" so that it's clear what upvotes indicate? I upvoted because it seems to make sense to have a post on the topic, but right now it's a little unclear what upvotes indicate.

This one will be the "Yes" answer. Upvote this answer if you think it is off-topic for this site.

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  • I like how both the no and yes variants are downvoted. There is no better way to show how divisive this topic is.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 13:36
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    Well, "yes" is downvoted more, so I think over all that's a no.
    – Chipster
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 21:48
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    @Gimby I downvoted both these answers because they're not useful. The tag does not qualify for burnination. Removing tags is not a democratic choice that can just ignore existing processes.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 22:44
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    @Cerbrus If the tag does not qualify for burnination, then why not upvote the answer that says don't burinate it? I don't understand your logic.
    – Chipster
    Commented Jul 19, 2023 at 1:49
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    Because these answers are pointless, as there's absolutely no justification to start the burnination process.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Jul 19, 2023 at 5:29
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    It was a cute experiment though. Maybe not do this again in the future, it's kind of weird to have a perfectly functional yes/no voting system and then create yes/no posts to... vote yes or no on. My brain.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jul 19, 2023 at 10:46