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I propose to remove this notice, because (as far as I know) on the meta, upvotes and downvotes literally mean that I am in favor of an idea/proposal/etc. or "against". Therefore, the notification with the vote "against" that "post can be improved" is absolutely meaningless for me

But I assume that this is most likely standard for all platforms, so they will not remove it. But if this cannot be removed, then at least you need to change the content to something more appropriate in meaning

For example, something like:

Please leave a comment why you are against the proposed idea

It is clear that not only ideas are being discussed here, so it is not entirely correct, but in general I hope I conveyed the essence

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    Downvotes don't necessarily mean disagreement. The usual reasons (no research effort, unclear, not useful) can still be valid here.
    – Turamarth
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 10:28
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    I think this popup is perfectly innocent in any context. The key is the "consider [...] if you think the this post can be improved" part. If you cannot think of an improvement, done. If you consider commenting and decide against it, done. It's neither an obligation nor necessity to comment, nor does it mean that you cannot (consider to) comment due to other reasons. Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 10:46
  • @MisterMiyagi I don't think so. Your answer is the example of how this notification can be interpreted. Of course it is not obligation but in this case there can be a notification like "Please consider editing post if you think ..." or "Please consider flag as 'needs improvement ' post if you think ..." and then you would say that "If you cannot edit post to improve done", "If you consider to flag question, done". The message of notification absolutely doesn't show the meaning of downvoting on Meta
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 11:08
  • @EzioMercer I'm challenging that the popup is "absolutely meaningless". In fact, IMO it is the most meaningful – downvotes always can mean content problems, whereas disagreement only applies to specific cases (and even then content problems can still apply too!). Editing and especially flagging are much more impactful actions and often should not be considered to begin with. Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 11:12
  • @Turamarth Yes you are right that usual reasons are still valid but as said in help "voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself"
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 11:13
  • @MisterMiyagi You are right but as said in help "voting indicates agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself" so I think that the content problem is not the main reason to downvote on Meta
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 11:15
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  • @MisterMiyagi Yes, and there is also said "For most posts, votes reflect the perceived usefulness" of course post must be well-written, well-reasoned and well-searched. Obviously, if I make a post in which nothing is clear, I will get a lot of downvotes but if all conditions of good post are met then votes will display agreement or disagreement
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 12:09
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    IMO for a lot of meta posts, the downvote implies "Ugh, not this again!" :)
    – Gimby
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 12:48
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    @EzioMercer the point is that an automated system cannot figure out what the user means by their downvote reliably (without asking the user) so giving them a generic option (the current one) is better than a specific "Please leave a comment why you are against the proposed idea" Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 13:07
  • @AbdulAzizBarkat I also don't like a specific reason. I give this example as something more acceptable for meta. I couldn't come up with a universal phrase. I very love the tooltip text "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful". And I think that current one is also specific reason because I can downvote not only because of post needs improvements
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 13:40
  • @EzioMercer I'm not particular fond of how it is written, people do like to conveniently ignore the part after the semicolon. It is written in a way that invites people to just read it in whatever way supports their downvoting desire.
    – Gimby
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 15:56

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You have the right idea, but not quite the right implementation.

Let's get rid of this message entirely! Everywhere.

We don't need to encourage people to leave any more comments—we get far more than enough as it is.

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  • I will only be glad if this message does not exist in principle :)
    – EzioMercer
    Commented Jan 17, 2023 at 9:56

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