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I just did 10 reviews of the First Answers queue. Out of them, 3 were using non-capitalized sentences and lacked punctuation. This seems to be endemic.

Sometimes I edit, sometimes I comment. I would like a standard community bot comment for that. I generally write something along those lines:

Hi, welcome to Stack Overflow! Please take the time to edit your answers to use proper sentences, with punctuation and capitalization. This will make them more readable for your peers. Thank you!

Side-note: I know there are not only native English speakers here (I am not, for instance), and am willing to forgive on the wording of the sentences. However, putting a dot and a capital helps so much to read, compared to free-flow lines of words, especially when the wording is not best chosen! I'm not sure that editing such basic things for them helps them learn appropriately.


Since the choice of the sentence has a few comments below, here is a version based on the existing wording of the two other available canned comments:

As it’s currently written, your answer is unclear. Please [edit] to correct punctuation, spelling and grammar. This will help others understand how this addresses the question asked. You can find more information on how to write good answers in the help center.

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    Re "not only native English speakers": They are perfectly capable of doing it. They just can't be bothered. They have the minimum-effort attitude. Thus the comments are futile. Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 20:45
  • Re my first comment: I have only ever seen one instance where a comment worked (the comment is now deleted). Though there is definitely some selection bias. Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 21:05
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    I am all for it. At least we can say: "We tried." Perhaps a conversion rate of 1% is better than nothing. Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 21:10
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    "But the point is : should we add that option?" => Yes, but not only for 'First Answers Queue', but for 'First Questions Queue' also, ... and "everywhere" actually...!
    – chivracq
    Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 21:12
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    Suggested wording: "Welcome to Stack Overflow! Please take the time to edit your answer to use proper sentences, with punctuation and capitalization. and correct spelling and grammar. This will make it more readable for other users. Thank you!" // You had a Typo also in "welcome so Stack Overflow...*"
    – chivracq
    Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 21:27
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    Shouldn't we also include typo's, obvious spelling mistakes and the use of chat language in these comments? I think that the problem is a lot bigger than just punctuation.
    – The_spider
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 7:21
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    Partly, this happens because they don't understand that Stack Exchange sites are Q&A repositories, not forums. Since it's their first answer, they deserve to be informed about our policy. But if they persist in posting poorly formatted answers, there's a nice big ▼ button to mark the answer as Not Useful.
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 10:56
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    @The_spider - yes, the text-speak is most irritating: Today I saw "shud" used for "should", which sent shivers down my spine. Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 11:22
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    Maybe add something like "and use blank lines to form paragraphs"... I find walls of text harder to read than an occasional typo.
    – Robert
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 18:59
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    @Robert: The two other canned answers link to "in the help center". We could make the statement shorter, and link to a similar page such as this one. Then make sure that the page we link to includes all of what we want to be done, like the one you just suggested...
    – JM Lord
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 19:29
  • Edited question, let me know if there is a better place where "in the help center" should lead for this particular case. I think I found a reasonably good meta post, but it would be better if it was really linking to something in the help center!
    – JM Lord
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 20:02
  • Not everyone agrees that full sentences should be used BTW: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10647/… Commented Dec 14, 2022 at 7:06
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    @DavidG I disagree. You should write any question here of the same quality as the language you would use in a business e-mail. Doing otherwise will be considered rude and will make yourself and the company you work for look like a bunch of clowns. It is not the purpose of SO to educate children (in adult bodies) about common decency and how to interact with other humans. That's a required prerequisite before coming here. Teaching it is the job of parents and daycare/elementary school teachers. It is not a job for the professional or enthusiast programmers using this site.
    – Lundin
    Commented Dec 14, 2022 at 14:48
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    Text quality can be easily improved by flagging grammar issues up-front in the editor while the text is being written. Most spelling and grammatical errors can be fixed using a tool such as grammarly. This tool is useful even if you can write well (try it yourself for a week to see this). Integrating such technology into the editors reduces the need or desire to flag posts for quality, as proposed here. If desired, both improved editors and improved post-publishing correction systems can be adopted.
    – jewelsea
    Commented Dec 15, 2022 at 1:13
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    "I'm not sure that editing such basic things for them helps them learn appropriately." - you're not here to teach people things. Not a tutoring site, not a school. What I find bad is that people put up barriers for themselves. "I am not going to edit because the other person might not learn from it". Great. There goes the editing process down the tubes.
    – Gimby
    Commented Dec 15, 2022 at 10:34

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AFAIK the comments shown in the First Answers / Questions queue can't be customized per-site (meaning that SO mods can't add a new canned comment to the review queues), but recently the Staging Ground team requested suggestions for canned comments, a bit later they made a follow-up post: Staging Ground Workflow: Canned Comments - Revised

On the follow-up post, there are a list of canned comments, one of them mentions formatting, spelling and grammar:

Proofread for minor edits : Your question is almost ready to post! Please proofread and edit it to improve the formatting and correct any spelling or grammar mistakes.

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    Thanks for the helpful links. The formulation above is intended at questions, rather than answers. I just went through the posts and to my understanding, Staging Ground is indeed for questions. Without having to add a new feature like staging ground, I still feel that a canned comment should be added to the existing ones, especially that writing good sentences applies to all StackExchange websites for sure. The fact that it "can't be customized per-site" is not a barrier in my opinion, but I understand it requires a wider consensus.
    – JM Lord
    Commented Dec 13, 2022 at 15:16
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In my experience it's the non-native English speakers (typers?) like yourself who make the most effort to write good English. As a native English speaker who cares about quality and accuracy and readability, I greatly appreciate that.

But this is a website about programming, not English. And if a programming answer is correct and sufficiently understandable even with lacking spelling and/or grammar, I don't see it as the end of the world. I'd rather get that useful answer on the site where a curator can eventually panel-beat it into shape, as opposed to posting a comment that will either be ignored, or could lead to a user interpreting it negatively and removing their contribution.

In short, while I'm not opposed to the idea of a new canned comment or option in the review queue (although the likelihood of the latter happening in a reasonable timeframe is... poor), I don't see particular value in adding it.

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    @Lundin Remember that we are talking about answers here, not questions. For me, the bar for spelling and grammar is considerably lower for answers because code should be the majority of said answer; the English around it should be generally superfluous and as such can probably be whacked into shape at a later date by a curator, as mentioned in my answer.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Dec 14, 2022 at 17:14
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    @Lundin Further, I've worked with more than one developer whose command of typed English was extremely poor, but ability to understand and explain code was phenomenal. For of them, and many people in general, written comms simply aren't something they care to put much effort into; that is indeed laziness, but it's a laziness generally born out of having different priorities, and that's not inherently disrespectful, just different.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Dec 14, 2022 at 17:19
  • Or perhaps instead of "not inherently disrespectful", I should say "not intentionally disrespectful". Those who make the effort to use good spelling and grammar are rightfully proud of their efforts to Do It Right, and often misinterpret the actions of others unwilling to make that same effort, as purposefully disrespectful (I have been personally guilty of this). Neither group is wrong, nor right.
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Dec 15, 2022 at 22:30
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If a question or answer is not at all comprehendable, mark it as such. If you can read it but doesn't have correct grammar and punctuation, that's kinda on you. If it really bothers you, fix it and if not, move on.

I've noticed that highly rated/useful questions and answers get re-written (repeatedly) anyway, so the only thing marking with a tag like this does is make someone else feel bad--they are unlikely to be able to fix it anyway. It really doesn't do anyone any good (Except possibly the person who gets to feel superior by marking it).

I guess I'd ask, given that popular questions and answers end up getting re-written repeatedly regardless of their original grammar--what's the goal of this change? You're not going to get better content, just a higher bar to entry and more frusterated new users thinking that the site doesn't want their content.

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