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I stumbled upon this from help center which seems problematic to me and I would like to clarify if I got it right.

The page says:

Do not copy the complete text of sources; instead, use their words and ideas to support your own. In particular, answers comprised entirely of a quote (sourced or not) will often be deleted since they do not contain any original content.

So imagine this situation:

You provide an answer that is taken from official docs of some library (it even could be a language specification like C standard), however, there isn't really anything to add or remove.

So this answer while clearly being still useful, would be considered for deletion according to the above quote. Did I get that right?

But maybe I am interpreting it too strictly and maybe adding few words like "hey yeah this is not the way to use function f, and here is sentence to back it up" suffices in practice. In that case maybe Help Center can make it clearer.


In this question the answer says actually quote only answers can be ok and aren't forbidden - but to me the way it is written in Help center suggests quote only answers will likely be deleted. So I guess I would change the wording there.

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    If a literal quote from the documentation, and nothing more than that, answers the question, the question should probably be closed in the first place...
    – Cerbrus
    Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 8:47
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    @Cerbrus What would be the provided reason for close then? Keep in mind some libs have extensive documentation so it may happen someone overlooked an answer there. Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 8:48
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    In 99% of questions, you can at least show how the text from the documentation can be applied to the specific situation of the asker.
    – BDL
    Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 9:25
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    @BDL I would not be so sure about 99% estimate. What if there is no situation to apply it to, rather user just encountered say weird behavior. Then you just provide a quote which explains that behavior. Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 9:40
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    Even just expanding, briefly, on the subject, is fine. AS a very crude example something like this would be fine. "Per the {linked} documentation: "Quoted Text". As it states, you therefore need to use the function XYZ and ensure you pass the value 'abc' for the parameter named def." Just putting you're own TL;DR to summarise is fine, as you're then using the documentation to backup your statement; which also (in this case) is more verbose on the subject should other users wish to read it.
    – Thom A
    Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 10:28
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    @Larnu Yeah maybe in that case "Help Center" should also clarify that like you did. Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 10:30
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    @GiorgiMoniava As BDL says above, you can always demonstrate or expand on the solution in the context of the question asked. If a question can be answered by a straight up quote from the documentation, you should downvote for lack of research, maybe post a comment with the links to docs and move on. Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 10:37
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    @MarkRotteveel "downvote for lack of research" -> Hm again I would disagree, like I said there are libraries who have huge documentation, and you can't blame always someone for not finding something there. Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 10:39
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    To be more specific, the downvote is for a lack of evidence of research, @GiorgiMoniava . If the question is simply "How do I convert the value '31/12/2020' to a date in T-SQL." I would suggest that they didn't do any research. If it was "How do I convert the value '31/12/2020' to a date in T-SQL. I tried the style code 103 from the documentation, but it didn't work." that suggests that they did research. (Such a question would still likely get downvotes for a lack of [mre], but there is evidence of they at least searched the problem.)
    – Thom A
    Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 11:03
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    If the documentation is long, then even stating "I did have a look at {linked documentation}, however, the article was very long, and I didn't really understand where to start reading it." would evidence research.
    – Thom A
    Commented Dec 7, 2022 at 11:05
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    "What would be the provided reason for close then? Keep in mind some libs have extensive documentation so it may happen someone overlooked an answer there." I'd suggest the generic "Other - add a comment" fill-in-the-blank VTC reason. As Cerbrus stated, if the question is so basic that simply pointing the asker to specific documentation answers the question, then nothing more is needed. Close the question because it's likely not much use to future readers. The asker is then free to improve the question to clarify what/where/why/how the documentation doesn't help them and reopen it.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 1:07
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    If, as you say yourself, "there isn't really anything to add or remove", then just post the reference as a comment instead of an answer. You could even invite the OP to post their own answer if they found that helpful. But as others have already suggested, the situation where there is absolutely nothing of value to be added in an answer beyond quoting a source seems highly unlikely.
    – skomisa
    Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 6:29
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    Who said anything about anything being a "basic question"? You are asking about plagiarism and simply completely quoting some external documentation with no other wording of your own, yeah?
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 7:43
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    Ah, I see. Sorry, I meant if the form of the question was so basic that simply being pointed to documentation was sufficient to answer it, then it is not a good question.
    – Drew Reese
    Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 7:54
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    @GiorgiMoniava The point is that it is often not okay to have a quote only answer. That message would be extremely diluted with the formulations suggested so far. If you think the message should be changed, then I suggest to open a feature-request citing a significant amount of actual examples instead of hypotheticals. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 8:29

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So this answer while clearly being still useful, would be considered for deletion according to the above quote. Did I get that right?

Yes. The Stack Overflow standard is clear on this:

Do not copy the complete text of sources; instead, use their words and ideas to support your own. In particular, answers comprised entirely of a quote (sourced or not) will often be deleted since they do not contain any original content.

Consider that it is extremely unlikely that a quote really answers a question by itself completely. At the very least, it should be possible to clarify why that specific section applies; this may include providing a canonical name for the question subject, or simply pointing out how the specification applies in the specific situation of the question.

In specific, note that the standard says "will often be deleted" – for those unlikely cases where a quote actually fits verbatim, moderators have leeway to let such an answer stand. However, this is no excuse for the many, many other situations where a quote by itself is not a verbatim fit.

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    Maybe I read the rule strictly but if something like this suffices in answer then it is ok: "Hey yeah this is not the way to use function f and here is sentence to back it up". Otherwise I would disagree with this: "Consider that it is extremely unlikely that a quote really answers a question by itself completely" Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 9:15
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    @GiorgiMoniava As mentioned, the rule does explicitly not set a strict requirement; feel free to gamble. In my experience, a bare quote is practically never a complete answer unless the question specifically asks for just a reference (which comes with its own set of problems). Perhaps providing some actual examples instead of paraphrased situations would be useful? For example, for "Hey yeah this is not the way to use function f and here is sentence to back it up" I would expect that the answer should encompass also showing how to actually use f in this situation. Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 9:24
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    I have yet to see a sequence of characters in English that describe a technical situation that would not be helped by well written commentary Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 3:04
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I'm of the opinion the paragraphs referenced in this question should be excised from the Help Centre in their entirety.

If a question can be answered via quoting a source while providing a reference to said source, why bother adulterating that quote with anything further? Short and sweet and to the point is far preferable to adding noise just to get around an apparently arbitrary imposition.

Further, considering that apparently literally anything can be an answer if you squint hard enough, a quote-only answer should be considered perfectly valid. It's also likely to be far more useful and coherent than some of the other "answers" I've had NAA flags rejected for.

Some members have raised here (in comments and another answer) that the problem is the question itself. However the fact of the matter is that questions that can be answered by quoting a reference have never been considered off-topic here, even if said question can be answered by a simple Google search. Stack Overflow wants that SEO juice, after all.

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    "Further, considering that apparently literally anything can be an answer if you squint hard enough, a quote-only answer should be considered perfectly valid." I don't think that's enough to say such answers may not be deleted - there are other grounds for deletion than NAA. It's a requirement to be an attempted answer, not sufficient. Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 11:12
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    @GiorgiMoniava Because correctness isn't sufficient. For example if you duplicate an existing answer from SO, it's still correct and it still gets deleted. Personally I see less of an issue with CW answer that are entirely quoted since it looses the aspect of using third-party content for ones own benefit. Still, I see a benefit in having clear rules instead of trying to cover every edge-case and still failing due to them being inherently vague. Remember that Moderators are not expected to be SMEs for the moderated content, so any rule that depends on correctness is flaky. Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 11:22
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    @GiorgiMoniava It doesn't say they are okay. It says they can be okay. And the help center does so too. "Boltclock's position is consistent with the official rules in the help center, which don't at any point say that quote-only answers are outright banned or must be deleted." Which is also what my answer explicitly points out, just in case it's needed to point that out again; or to demonstrate again that a quote by itself is often poor. Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 13:21
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    @MisterMiyagi We are having some miscommunication, the Help center currently says essentially quote only answers will be deleted. It says: "...will often be deleted" Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 13:24
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    @GiorgiMoniava "the Help center currently says essentially only quoted answers will be deleted" It doesn't. It says "...will often be deleted" . That extra word is there on purpose. Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 13:25
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    @GiorgiMoniava "...shouldn't be there imho" Sorry, I don't follow. Isn't that exactly what you want? That quote-only answers may be valid? Commented Dec 8, 2022 at 13:42
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    @GiorgiMoniava The help center doesn't say it will be deleted. It says it is likely to be deleted. You keep on saying it will be deleted, or won't be deleted, and that isn't what the help center says. Either one. It states it is likely to be deleted. Which is true. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:00
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    @GiorgiMoniava And I disagree. 99% of quote only answers should be deleted and over 90% will be. When you ignore often repeatedly and replace it with always that is on you, not on people reading you. You: "Not saying it will be deleted." -- will is not often, it is always. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:08
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    @GiorgiMoniava " that usually an ideal answer to a question will consist of more than just a quote from the docs" -- no, it doesn't say it is usually ok. It says rarely it is ok. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:12
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    @GiorgiMoniava Yes, and yet it remains true that quote-only answers often should be deleted. It is rare that a quote-only answer is correct. It doesn't say they will be deleted, it doesn't say they shouldn't be deleted, it says they often will be deleted (and implies they should be). It is giving correct guidance. It even says how to improve quote-only answers. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:18
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    @GiorgiMoniava The link agrees that it is rare that a quote-only answer is correct. I'm not sure what to do when the link you claim is supporting you isn't supporting you, and I quote the very first sentence of the link you provide that shows it isn't supporting you, and you still think the link you provide supports you. "usually an ideal answer to a question will consist of more than just a quote from the docs" - the rest of the answer proceeds to talk about the narrow path an answer can follow such that a quote-only answer is correct. "strictly speaking", "[not] outright banned", etc. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:30
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    @GiorgiMoniava It says that the rules "don't at any point say that quote-only answers […] must be deleted". Which still covers that such an answer can be deleted. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 14:40
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    @GiorgiMoniava We're going in circles here. Fact is, the help center does not require deletion of quote-only answers – no one is denying this here. However, whether "a quote only answer happens to answer the question" is not something a moderator is expected to judge, since moderators are assumed not to be subject matter experts. As a result any such rule, be it written in the help center or on meta, cannot be a binding one. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 15:37
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    @GiorgiMoniava "Not must" means in standard English "sometimes". It nowhere states that "deleting is bad". It supports the help guidelines, which state they are usually deleted. Your link in no way supports your position that quote-only answers should usually left undeleted. It supports the position that, in a certain narrow set of circumstances, quote-only answers are ok. Which is not the same as they shouldn't usually be deleted. You might not want bad answers to be deleted, but most quote only answers are bad, and should be deleted. Some, in narrow situations, are not. Commented Dec 9, 2022 at 16:21
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    @GiorgiMoniava By yes, I mean exactly what I'm thinking, which is by definition clear. By definition, I mean what I want. I understand you have some kind of replacement of words similar to the "no true scotsman", where you mean the words you say insofar as you redefine them to mean what you want them to mean? /shrug. "quote only answers" are answers which contain nothing but a quote. Very few of them are valid. If you define "quote only answers" as "answers that shouldn't be deleted", then ... they shouldn't be deleted. But that isn't how anyone else will read your words. Commented Dec 12, 2022 at 4:42

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