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An example of what I'm talking about (deleted).1

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I've got the feeling that this should not be possible. As the OP, I'm clearly biased, but why should I be able to unilaterally reopen my question that was closed as a duplicate if I have the gold badge in a relevant tag?


[1]: Please note that I'm not asking why my question was closed. The linked question is used solely as an example.

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    Worth noting you can only unilaterally reopen it if it's closed as a duplicate, not if it's due to any other reason. I do, however, agree that you should not be able to do so, and that reopening it could be considered "abuse" of the system.
    – Thom A
    Nov 7, 2022 at 13:58
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    Honestly, this seems like a breakdown in what the system is. Gold badge holders are supposed to be an expect in the tag and thus know the ins and outs of duplicates*. Thus they are supposed to also know if their question is a duplicate or not. Therefore, being allowed to unilaterally open their own question seems in-line with the expectation. If they are not allowed, then the entire dupehammer expectation is wrong. *Note that there is no actual link between gold badge and knowing about duplicates. But that's the assumption which the system is built around.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:08
  • @VLAZ I kind of agree. With great power comes great responsibility. Still it still feels weird, that I can undo the votes of up to three other people, which were sure that the linked duplicate answers my question.
    – Lino
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:14
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    @Lino ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is it not more weird to be an expert in the field (according to the system) thus trusted to know the linked duplicate is wrong and not be able to do anything about it? If so, you shouldn't be trusted with a dupehammer anywhere. What if you reopen a question that's not your own where three users agreed was a duplicate? If you're not to be trusted around your own question - what makes you more trustworthy around somebody else's? The point here is that the dupehammer has to work consistently. Otherwise nobody would be worthy of it. Because it's a mess.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:19
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    That's without even discussing the fact that the winning strategy to get a dupe hammer the easiest is to avoid closing as duplicates. Which...is another beef I have with the feature.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:20
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    It's also worth noting that you can only close/reopen the same question once. So you wont be able to reopen it again if it is closed again by other users.
    – Ivar
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:24
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    @Ivar with the small caveat that you can but not immediately. You need to wait for the vote to expire. Which is something like 4-6 weeks IIRC. It's a lot. At least a month. But most of the time, I'd expect users would not bother waiting for that long if a closure -> dupehammer reopen -> closure happens.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:27
  • @VLAZ are you sure? From my experience, I cannot re-close a question another time as Gold badge owner if it's reopened Nov 7, 2022 at 14:41
  • @TemaniAfif re-closing works the same. You still need to wait out the expiration of your old vote. It's yet another of those opaque system which requires a minor in SE arcana. I'll try to find where it's described. I've had to refer to it multiple times myself...
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:45
  • @VLAZ I just found a very old question (2018) to re-close it again but I am not able to do. Nov 7, 2022 at 14:46
  • @TemaniAfif was it reopened recently? Or a long time ago? I might be misremebering the exact arcane rules around close votes.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:47
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    @VLAZ all the actions are made long time ago (somewhere in 2018) Nov 7, 2022 at 14:49
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    @TemaniAfif OK, then it turns out my minor in SE arcana was not enough. I guess it doesn't work that way. There is a thing with vote ageing out but apparently it's only if you retract a vote. If a post has been closed/opened with your vote, you're indeed blocked from further votes in order to discourage close/open wars.
    – VLAZ
    Nov 7, 2022 at 14:54
  • vote aging only happens if the vote didn't result in an action occuring.
    – Kevin B
    Nov 7, 2022 at 15:14
  • @cigien: I'd conjecture that these questions are related, but this one has a slightly different texture. The one you link to talks about the justification of using it when others have dupe-closed it. This one talks about doing this at all, and the example has zero contention from anyone else around.
    – Makoto
    Nov 7, 2022 at 17:51

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I really don't see an issue with this.

The system is built around trust (since it doesn't have a good technical way of enforcing compliance). As a gold-badge holder in Java, you've (in practice) participated in enough Java questions such that you can (in theory) make a reasonable, level-headed decision on whether or not a question closed as a duplicate with that tag is or is not a dupe.

It shouldn't really matter if it's your own question. I mean, people get dupe targets wrong all the time and that can spill into a close war, but that's when it makes sense to get diamond mods involved to sort that mess out.

So I'm going to state that this isn't really a problem unless someone sees an active pattern of abuse, and that's when diamond mods need to get involved.

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    You can also only do it once per question, so if it's really a dupe, you can't repeatedly hammer it back open.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Nov 8, 2022 at 0:43

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