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We should promote positivity in the site. Thus usage of negative values for downvotes should be changed.

My proposal:

Avoid showing any number at all. Since it does not matter whether it is downvoted 10 times or 1000 times, just add the word "Downvoted".

Thank you for reading.


Henry Ecker pointed out the magnitude of the uselessness of the answer is important. So my idea is to remove the points-based system altogether. There are no more + or - points, and just use progress bar as indicator.

0 votes

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10 votes

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-10 votes:

▒▒▒█ ▒▒▒▒

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    Sorry, I don't get how this proposal helps future visitors, most of whom would land here via web searches. When would it be useful for them to see some answers with a score like 2 or 10, while another shows a nonsense number?
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 4:29
  • @VLAZ Nonsense answer will have "Downvoted" word. The -ve point is still in database for sorting purpose, just hide the number is all.
    – GeneCode
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 4:30
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    It seems there's already been an experiment to this effect, the results of the experiment seem to suggest this is not a good approach. Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 4:44
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    "it does not matter whether it is downvoted 10 times or 1000 times" does it also not matter whether a post is upvotes 10 or 1000 times? Why isn't this proposal symmetric?
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 4:46
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    The vast majority of (undeleted) negatively scored posts are score -1 (by a large margin). (SEDE Query / Bar graph). I think obscuring a -1 with something like "DOWNVOTED" changes the (perceived) meaning from "One person did not find this post useful" to "This post is not useful" and that means, in the majority of circumstances, this proposal gives a worse impression of the post than just showing the score.
    – Henry Ecker Mod
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:15
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    @GeneCode I understand that. I don't understand this proposal considers negative score any different from positive score and is not symmetric in both directions.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:25
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    Why does it not need to be symmetric? What makes positive scores different from negative scores? Why should a score of 10 or 1000 be relevant to show but a score of -10 or -1000 not be?
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:27
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    I'm looking at posts with information, not cars.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:28
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    I do not need to do that, no.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:35
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    Thanks. I'll not be doing that, either. I'm here to discuss your suggestion. Which I find dreadfully underthought. What you have to do is substantiate it. Instead of trying to get people who point out its flaws go away.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 5:37
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    How about posts that have both DV and UV (i.e. controversial posts)?
    – Andrew T.
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 6:02
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    Related (OP's previous question): Downvote should not be negative
    – Andrew T.
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 6:08
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    I still don't see what the benefit is. You just said "It's bad, change it this way" not why it's bad. Or how the change improves things. Initially you proposed showing nonsense numbers. Which you didn't explain how it helped. And then removed. Then you just had the asymmetric hiding of only downvoted items. Which I pointed out doesn't make sense. Now you have some sort of system which is...basically just the score. It can go positive or negative. Maybe not as granular but I really don't see how it's functionally different and how it fulfils your stated goal to "promote positivity".
    – VLAZ
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 6:28
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    I don't agree with this proposal because the trigger is all wrong, no we do not need to promote positivity. We promote usefulness. The current system does that just fine.
    – Gimby
    Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 7:39
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    You could add 2,000,000 to all votes, so avoiding the negativity, and then new users who get downvoted don't need to be held at 2,000,001 - their rep. could go down without...'negativity'. Commented Aug 2, 2022 at 12:18

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Let's say there are three answers to a question. One is -1, and the two are -20. With your original proposal they would all say downvoted, but there's one of those answers I might give a shot to on the grounds that that one downvote could have been wrong, and the others I certainly ought to skip over.

We then have a progress bar suggestion, but that also suffers from granularity and comparability problems. It seems much more difficult to tell at a glance which is the best answer.

How do I know the voting breakdown? There is a difference between a post that's had 10 upvotes and 10 downvotes, (particularly here on Meta) as compared to a post that's not been voted on at all. Perhaps the first post was wrong and has been corrected, but the second has simply not been tried at all by anyone.

Voting is not about positivity or negativity at all; it’s about content rating. Is the answer useful, or not, or actively harmful. That's what we need to know here in as a simple and obvious a way as possible. We need to be able to compare answers and try the best one first without squinting at a set of progress bars to try to figure it out.

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