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The "problem": Reputation should help to show how reputable a user is, hence the name. It does that for many users, however it creates a sort of 'unfairness'. People who, a long time ago, asked simple, common, questions which, at this point would be booted for not being up to "community standard", get their at most 200 rep per day years after it has been posted, with their newer contributions making up a minor part of their reputation.

Example: What is the highest reputation for someone very active in the last five years, and is it possible to be in the top 0.02% like someone, who has been active for three years, and hasn't posted actively since 2011 account in question? This is a cherry-picked example of course, but there are many like it. This one for example.

Even those of the olden times that are still actively posting probably get most of their rep from the olden times.

This is because every question has been asked already, and the "Wikipedia of Programming" now is a Q&A forum like any other. This is another issue that is honestly a bit bleh. I dare to say that if SO was just a repo of knowledge and troubleshooting, by far most has been explored already and all that stay are specific and individual questions that don't get any traction, hence neither do the answers.

The youngest question in the top 50 is from 2013, in the top 100 from 2014, in the top 200 then you find something from 2016, even on page 40 (50 questions per page) there are still more posts from the 2000s than the 2010s. In the top 2000 posts I didn't find anything from the last three years.

That doesn't mean our questions nor answers have been worse; they are just not as wide-spread and popular. Unasked questions for new technology rise a bit, but are still too fringe to be as widely seen as anything in the most common, basic languages like C, Python or Java.

The point is - reputation is not an elitist thing that you have if you've been active early, or have much less of if you are even much more active now. It is a outdated form of measurement that isn't representative of the user and their involvement in the community, and is harder to get now than ever. Say what you will about Reddit, but due to the lack of limitations on content, if you want to get a lot of karma you can, and new "most upvoted" posts come out every day with more users and more content and so on, something that is not possible here, as I said before the content is running out, and as such also the incentive for help (rep+ make neurons brrr) is reduced.

Most people don't help for rep, but I am sure it keeps a lot of them to stay and try to get more. The top account of Reddit, not posted due to NSFW, has started posting in 2018. I wonder if someone can tell me the top user position of any account created 2018 or later...

Anyway, after way too much monologue, either get a new "activity score" additionally to rep that shows the rep of the last, I don't know, one year. Cap old posts or give a factor to the rep. (recent post 2x rep, one year ago 1x rep, five years ago 0.5x rep, etc).

Or find another way to make it possible to 'climb the ranks', if rep isn't something to show off, why is it shown?

Also I am not complaining about me not getting any rep. I don't want this question to be applied to or put into relation with me, and this is just a thought that I had. Maybe it isn't an issue and I am the only one thinking about this and SO is actually not declining in quality and users (isn't it though) I don't know! But apparently it isn't something new, this post from 2014 is talking about something similar, but apparently nothing is happening.

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    Why do you need reputation points? They're mostly used in curation activities and yet your post seems to advocate against curation. Why have the rep then?
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:01
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    I don't think the problem is that this user has 90k rep, but that all of it came from a single post. We have no way to determine if they are actually good site curators and yet they gained all the privileges.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:04
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    If you think that people retaining reputation for old posts is stagnating Stack Overflow then I think you should provide some concrete evidence for this in your question.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:06
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    What you are describing is called envy
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:18
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    @MaritnGe Can you describe how current users are "objectively more helpful now than the many dead accs "? Users who have the same problem now will find it helpful if they find an old answer which solves their problem now. That's why they upvote old questions and answers. How is this not helpful for current users who face the same problem? Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:19
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    We have no way to reward user on the site, so there's no way to reward "continuty, commitment, friendlyness and general activity". Maybe there should be something like this, but currently the main way to gain reputation is by providing helpful questions and answers.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:23
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    "only a sith deals in extremes", but lets single out a single user that earned an unusual amount of rep and use that as evidence to punish everyone network-wide with decaying reputation.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:25
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    Jon Skeet gets enough rep from his 35k answers that he'd not miss the daily rep cap if the outliers were removed.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:33
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    You want to redesign the site because of outliers that get lots of rep from a few answers? You design things to work best for the many, not the few. Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:36
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    Earning rep is easy. you just have to earn it. Go post answers. Taking rep away from everyone else doesn't help that problem. There are people who have still reached 20k rep in less than a year recently.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:40
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    There are only eleven users (according to this SEDE) who have got 25,000 or more reputation (and thus all the privileges) from a single post; that really isn't a large percentage of the user base, it's a tiny amount.
    – Thom A
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:41
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    What harm does these users having rep cause? Does seeing other users with high rep make you not want to participate?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:58
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    I have to wonder something here. Say that that number was not named "Reputation" but "internet points". Would you have still created this meta post? Because there is one opinion that I have and that is that "reputation" was a really poor choice of description. It's more like a janitor status, the higher the number the more voluntary cleanup duties open up to you.
    – Gimby
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 15:01
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    I'd argue that reputation decaying, may actually act as a diminishing effect... if new users are aware of that system up front. If you know that if you began to participate, you'd only retain your reputation as long as you continued to participate and never be able to rise above a certain threshold based on how much you're able to participate, would you even begin? (assuming you were here for reputation, not help, ofc)
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 15:11
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    Like, look at it from my perspective, i'd be losing rep every day, even though i'm here participating every day... my participation simply doesn't generate reputation. Even if i did start answering, i'd need to be answering at a level that matches the decay, and if that decay is based on my past posts, it'd be quite harsh given how active i was early on.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 15:15

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The youngest question in the top 50 is from 2013, in the top 100 from 2014, in the top 200 then you find something from 2016, even on page 40 (50q per page) there are still more posts from the 2000s than the 2010s. In the top 2000 posts I didn't find anything from the last 3 years.

So in conclusion, posts that have been around longer and helped more people have had more time to collect more votes. Sure.

Unasked questions for new technology rise a bit but are still too fringe to be as widely seen as anything in the the most common, basic langs like C, Python or Java.

New technologies appear all the time. The Swift programming language has only been around since 2014 so nobody's going to have questions from 2010.

Existing popular programming languages also gain new features. There aren't going to be questions or answers about C++ lambda capture before 2017

Temani for instance has been around for 4 years and seems to have had no problem 'climbing the ranks'.

My own experience is that a few answers do hit the mark and get regular upvotes but I'd have struggled to predict in advance which ones they would be. I guess if you try to pin the tail on the donkey often enough, a few times you'll get really really close by accident.

I also probably answer fewer questions now than I used to but that's because I'm answering questions in a niche (SVG) that hasn't changed much in the last few years and so it's easier and easier to mark new posts as duplicates and thereby instantly help people despite that probably being the lower rep way to go. I could move onto a field that is newer or more rapidly changing but then so could anyone.

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    There are a lot of users who are able to climb up the ranks quickly. It's just a matter of finding the right topics to ask and answer. But is this really an answer to the question OP asked?
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:12
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    @Dharman Refuting the premises of the question is an answer if the premises the question is based on are inaccurate or incorrect. Once you've done that you can't reach the same conclusion the OP wants to. Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:14
  • of course there can't be swift questions asked in 2010, i don't get your point it almost comes across condescending. but if you believe that questions for newer technologies have no place in the top questions sure thing. you also have to separate the user from the post. a good question does not mean the user is good, you need a lot of good questions. the user you posted has also posted an immense amount of answers, but he still has a very low rep/answer compared to older accounts. he is working much harder for the same outcome, and the thing is called "reputation" not "helpfullness", so even
    – Maritn Ge
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:46
  • i don't see the comments so i lost my train of thought. anyways, you have on avg 297 rep per post, the user you posted has 32. are you almost 10x as helpful as him? or did you just come to the site early and get lucky in a very few early answers that got big, or did your quality of answer decline and you get fewer rep now?, because i don't think so, you still wanna help people and you still do so well. but you tell me please, of your 112k rep, how much is from content before, let's say, 2016
    – Maritn Ge
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:51
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    No, I have 49 rep per post (111500 / 2265) Temani has (216719 / 6695) or 32 rep per post. Not very different given that some of my answers have had 6 more years to get votes. Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:56
  • sorry that is my bad, i was seeing the questions on the meta profile. anyways, could you answer the second part of my comment? not as a 'gotcha' thing, i am actually curious
    – Maritn Ge
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 14:59
  • @MaritnGe I've updated my answer with some observations about my circumstances. Maybe I'm not typical though. Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 15:14
  • @MaritnGe My rep per post is 61, heavily weighted by the single answer I highlighted above. I don't think such a simple calculation can possibly be indicative of my helpfulness now or at any point or range in the past, so I'm not sure what value it adds to the conversation.
    – Aaron Bertrand Staff
    Commented Aug 1, 2022 at 16:23

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