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I am new to Azure machine learning service and trying to post questions on Stack Overflow to get some help around issues that I face.

The questions always get picked up by Azure Customer Engineers (according to their profile) who try to answer them. However, if you look a little deeper the answers are:

  1. pretty generic (look at this documentation)
  2. don't answer your question AT ALL
  3. often off topic. I asked about Azure machine learning service dataset and got an answer for Azure data factory dataset which is COMPLETELY different.

I guess these don't get flagged as low-quality answers since on the surface they appear pretty legitimate but they are really of no use.

I have no course but to downvote them. What other actions should I be taking?

Some examples:

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    "I have no course but to downvote them. What other actions should I be taking ?" Certainly downvoting; I note that only one of those answers has a downvote, so if they aren't helpful then downvoting is the right course. If the answer isn't an answer, then you should be flagging it as Not An Answer (NAA). This answer, for example, doesn't really feel like an answer; it starts by asking for clarification, and then effectively gives a link as the answer.
    – Thom A
    Jul 19, 2022 at 15:26
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    Note that I wouldn't say that the other 2 are NAA. There is a (big) difference between NAA and not useful/helpful. They are certainly attempting to answer, though not necessarily well.
    – Thom A
    Jul 19, 2022 at 15:30
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    Looking at a few of that users recent answers, a lot of them are very low quality. It seems more like they are treating Stack Overflow as a support desk, and often are linking to documentation rather than giving the answer in the post (1, 2, 3 as a few examples). Not all their answers are like it, but it might warrant a custom mod flag. I would be interested to see a passing mod's opinion on the matter though.
    – Thom A
    Jul 19, 2022 at 15:37
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    Without revealing too much info, I could only say that the mods and staff have noticed this issue. As a non-SO mod, I'd suggest doing the standard actions to low-quality/NAA answers, i.e. downvote and/or flag.
    – Andrew T.
    Jul 19, 2022 at 15:50
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    I've noticed an increase in these types of answers too. It is nice that these engineers are getting engaged but they don't seem to realise that StackOverflow has different expectations than social.msdn.microsoft.com Jul 19, 2022 at 16:24
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    If I understand it correctly the TOS may not allow that kind of account.
    – bad_coder
    Jul 19, 2022 at 17:05
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    It depends if each individual in the [support] team have an account or not, @bad_coder . If each team member does, it would be allowed; though of course each account would be under the same rules that all of are and would be expected to meet the quality requirements. My concern would be that if these individuate creating low quality content they would simply have a new account created if they are answer banned
    – Thom A
    Jul 19, 2022 at 17:17
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    @Larnu what's bothering me is that account uses bold too much, if they write all their posts like in the Q's 1st link it's annoying. (Is there any rule against abusing bold?)
    – bad_coder
    Jul 19, 2022 at 17:26
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    Is this formatting overuse? @bad_coder , for some more conanical posts.
    – Thom A
    Jul 19, 2022 at 18:35
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    I encountered similar users with "-MSFT" as an extension to their name posting mainly link-only answers. I collected a few of those to establish a pattern and mod flagged one of them to have a mod send them a message to adhere to the rules.
    – Adriaan
    Jul 20, 2022 at 7:26
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    I'm glad they cannot mark each others low quality answers as accepted/helpful, as they did on TechNet... Jul 20, 2022 at 13:29
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    Appreciate this issue being raised and the efforts being made to quash the distracting vague and wrong/off-topic 'answers' routinely left by the Microsoft crew. It's deplorable that for years now Microsoft has allowed (encouraged?) its staff to give generic, "reinstall the drivers" type answers that waste everyone's time — social.msdn.microsoft.com is only worth consulting to see what other users have contributed, and it's nasty to have to wade through the lengthy and re-quoted but bad staff answers.
    – Joan Eliot
    Jul 20, 2022 at 13:49
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    @frictionlesspulley - As an active user of Azure tag, I am so glad that you brought that up. One more thing I noticed is quite often these people plagiarize other people's answer and pass them as their own. A few of them got banned but resorted back to their old tactics once the ban is lifted. My guess is that Microsoft pays them based on the quantity of the answers and not the quality. I used to downvote their answers but stopped doing it as that resulted in no improvement. I am now resorting to flagging these answers. Jul 20, 2022 at 16:34
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    Funny enough, this is a very common theme on their own forums too. I haven't even messed with Azure stuff on here and I know exactly what you're talking about. Jul 20, 2022 at 17:47
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    @IanKemp - FWIW, These users have -MT in their name (and not -MSFT). I believe it stands for Mindtree which is a big IT services company here in India and does a lot of business with Microsoft. Jul 21, 2022 at 18:35

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What you can do are the usual things: downvote bad answers, flag answers as Very Low Quality or Not An Answer where applicable and/or leave a comment pointing out why the answer is wrong or bad.

If there is a pattern that a user or group of users repeatedly post such bad answers, collect examples and flag for moderator attention. A moderator can then investigate and send the user(s) a message when they think it's appropriate and escalate to the Stack Exchange employees if they think that Microsoft themselves should somehow be contacted about this issue.

Example of a mod flag (marked helpful) I sent two years ago:

This looks to be an official Microsoft support account, but they keep answer low quality questions like these and do that often with barely more than a link, e.g. answer1, answer2 images of code answer3 and other low-quality contributions. Could you please nudge them to adhere to the quality standards?

And a helpful flag sent two weeks ago (Oct 2022):

This user could benefit from a message about their prose. They use "Hi and thanks for your question/reaching out" to start most of their answers, as well as adding fluff as "hope that helps"/ "let me know if you need more assistance" etc at the bottom. Eg [link] [link] etc. Typical MSFT help desk behaviour.

I redacted the links to the answers to prevent the meta-effect.

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    Note that NAA or VLQ flags are not appropriate for most the example images in this meta question; they at least look like answers, and aren't purely link only. When to flag an answer as "not an answer", and more recent comments from moderators on Not-an-answer flag declined on an answer ... - they seem to only want NAA / VLQ on things that can be handled quickly and obviously, without a judgement call on whether it's above some threshold of minimum quality, or any subject-matter knowledge. Jul 21, 2022 at 18:15
  • Do Microsoft use ChatGPT internally to generate answers?
    – MT1
    Nov 10, 2023 at 11:45
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What other actions should I be taking?

On top of downvoting, if you feel the need "Flag as not an answer" or simply tell them they're answer is of low quality and/or if they're breaking SO etiquette, eg: https://stackoverflow.com/a/72539280/495455


My two cents; I typically ignore them as there's two sides to the coin here and it levels out...

Most people like you see their posts as a training ground for new MSFT Support Engineers and a way for Microsoft to get eyeballs on their documentation. Meh.

On the other side of the coin Microsoft employees have access to an internal Database of Customer Service Requests (SRs). The system is called Visual Knowledge Base or VKB for short. Microsoft Content Strategists go through the SR cases and when they see lots of engineers referencing a particular SR with a good solution they turn it into a SOX: Solution Object. Finally the SOX's get turned in KB articles. So more often than not the MS Engineers will do internal search and sometimes provide information you'd have to pay to raise a support case.

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    I'm not following "the other side of the coin". It's great that they could be giving high quality answers, but the problem is that they are giving low quality answers. The former don't make the latter any better. Jul 20, 2022 at 7:58
  • That's subjective. The answer I've given is objective, fight Microsoft all you want. Jul 20, 2022 at 12:46
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    When to flag an answer as "not an answer"? – this does not apply here
    – Didier L
    Jul 20, 2022 at 13:42
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    @DidierL it does it you are only linking to the documentation.
    – Braiam
    Jul 20, 2022 at 14:37
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    "Microsoft employee's have access to an internal Database of Customer Service Requests (SRs)" - That is a handy tool for troubleshooting. However, Stack Overflow is not a discussion and support forum. Having vendor-appointed experts answer questions about their own products and services can be a great thing, but if MS is using SO as a support forum or writing answers we would consider to be LQ from any other user... we absolutely do not want either of those things.
    – codewario
    Jul 20, 2022 at 15:35
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    Not my downvote, but you seem to be confusing "the truth" with the idea that the bad behavior is a necessary prerequisite to obtain the (alleged) good behavior, which of course isn't objectively true. Many of our contributors are capable of posting good answers without also posting stupid junk as if their paycheck depended on it. We can't demand good answers from Microsoft (and indeed, many of us gave up on that hope completely many, many years ago) but we can demand them to not sabotage the site.
    – tripleee
    Jul 21, 2022 at 5:25
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    "Most people like you see their posts as a training ground for new MSFT Support Engineers and a way for Microsoft to get eyeballs on their documentation" - What on earth do you base this assertion on?
    – AJM
    Jul 26, 2022 at 13:07

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