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I just noticed a new-to-me tactic for spammers on this question (probably gone by the time I post this). It seemed to be originally a LQ question, then within seconds of me asking for clarification/marking to close, it became a super spammy post.

Do we have any defenses against that such as detecting significant question/post editing in a short window (especially by new users)?

I'm concerned that the spammers might be gaming with our mod stats now especially around improper close reasons (due to the edit being masked)

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    Yep, the bots are "evolving"; presumably whomever is behind them is seeing how community reacts to their spam and what countermeasures Stack Overflow are implementing, and so the methods to get around those measures is becoming more clever. Though I hate the spam, I feel that you can't fault the ingenuity...
    – Thom A
    May 12, 2022 at 16:41
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    Yes, you're correct. We're aware of the issue and working on defenses. This is a perfectly fine question, but I'm going to delete it to avoid giving attentive spammers any more good ideas about tactics.
    – Ryan M Mod
    May 12, 2022 at 16:41
  • The spreeders are bamming
    – MFerguson
    May 12, 2022 at 16:42
  • Why do they even bother when we have such extremely effective measures? They already have (almost) free reign in YouTube comments and elsewhere. May 13, 2022 at 23:24
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    @PeterMortensen stack overflow is heavily indexed by Google. So their spam even shows there May 13, 2022 at 23:33
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    Note, posting a unclear question and then editing the spam in is not new. On AU we had those.
    – Braiam
    May 14, 2022 at 2:43
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    AU = Ask Ubuntu May 14, 2022 at 10:22
  • @DanielA.White Google can index within the 5 minutes or so that the post would be up without creating a revision? I've always known Google to take longer than that to notice a page change.
    – trlkly
    May 15, 2022 at 11:57
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    What's the motivation for this? Is this so the preview text on /questions looks un spammy? May 15, 2022 at 12:24
  • @PeterMortensen gold, thanks ;)
    – Caius Jard
    May 15, 2022 at 12:33
  • @MartinSmith one hunch I have is that they might want to harm our moderation stats so that less people have power to do something? May 15, 2022 at 12:45
  • FYI, this type of spam has been known since at least 2018 (requires Charcoal team access).
    – gparyani
    May 16, 2022 at 9:30
  • @DanielA.White I've noticed that such spam questions are deleted almost immediately by the bot. Is this short time window enough for those questions to be indexed by Google?
    – QBrute
    May 17, 2022 at 10:21
  • Ironically, at almost exactly the same time as SE rolled out their change which doesn't permit an edit grace period to users with < 10 reputation, I submitted a PR for SmokeDetector which allows SmokeDetector to detect grace period edits. The PR was merged a bit later. So, while the need to detect grace period edits is much lower now, SmokeDetector does do so for all posts by all users, as of about 3 months ago.
    – Makyen Mod
    Aug 13, 2022 at 9:48

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Good news: we do now have such a defense!

Users lacking the remove new user restrictions can no longer make edits that don't create a revision in the post history. This will greatly aid in detection of such abuse and ought to result in much faster removal of these posts.

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  • thanks for reopening this. I hope it does help! May 13, 2022 at 22:28
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    I'm glad this was implemented. I've been actually been noticing this spam tactic for a little over a week now and was waiting for some kind of defense mechanism.
    – 41686d6564
    May 13, 2022 at 22:54
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    This change? May 13, 2022 at 23:20
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    @PeterMortensen Yes, that's the one.
    – Ryan M Mod
    May 13, 2022 at 23:40
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    Sadly it's not clear what exactly the change is. Users with less than 10 rep can't edit until five minutes pass, or does the change mean that there is new revision created for every edit they make? SE should really be more transparent with such changes, it's annoying they are so far from it. Even when they do tell about changes, they're super vague and give no details. :( May 14, 2022 at 9:37
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    @ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar This isn't vague though. See meta.stackexchange.com/posts/21789/revisions, as linked earlier -- the grace period can no longer be used by users with less than 10 rep. This doesn't mean they can't edit for five minutes, it means a new revision is made for every change. Those are auditable and detectable by bots, but at the expense of a more noisy revision history for legitimate users. That's definitely a price worth paying at the current volume of spam, however.
    – Zoe Mod
    May 14, 2022 at 9:44
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    @Zoe well vague for me, "can't use grace period" can easily mean edits locked until grace period over. May 14, 2022 at 10:06
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    @Shadow Wizard Says No More War: Agreed. It could be made much clearer. May 14, 2022 at 10:25
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    Hwo did you get this to happen? CM contact?
    – user17242583
    May 14, 2022 at 16:08
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    @richardec basically, yeah. Charcoal and the SO moderators have been in contact with the CM team throughout the spam wave to figure out ways to thwart them.
    – Ryan M Mod
    May 14, 2022 at 19:20

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