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I very recently failed this review audit. In the timeline, it appears to be that some others also failed the audit, mostly asking for author edits or sharing feedback. The question is a short one that just includes the problem and the code.

What I see wrong about it is that there isn't any research, or what they tried to solve the question. The SO How to Ask page says that searching and researching should be done before asking a question. The mentioned question seems to just be, "I noticed this is not happening right anymore, here's the command and error."

As the audit review link says, I was about to "Share Feedback." The custom comment was going to ask for more details and what research had been done, but right when I clicked the Share Feedback option, it failed the audit.

Seeing the 17 upvotes and 18 passed audits makes me question whether my point is valid or not. I would like some clarification as to why this question is considered a good question even though it appears to lack research.

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    "What I see wrong about it is that there isn't any research, or what they tried to solve the question." Note that "No research" or "no own effort" are not close reasons. What is meant when it's said that question should be based on research is that they are not duplicates and of good quality. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:26
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    @JeanneDark: My point is, they didn't do any research (no links to docs, or even a mention that they did some), and they just put down the question soon after the problem arrived ("I have a problem that started very recently..."). I do see from what perspective you are coming from, though. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:28
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    That's not a close reason and never was. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:28
  • @JeanneDark: So research based questions are not duplicates and of good quality? I thought that good quality questions had research from others sites/questions in them. I'm coming at this from a learning view, just trying to understand what I did wrong. Also, I was just suggesting feedback for details and research, not any close reasons or such. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:32
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    Share feedback isn't ask for close. In all review audit, we can see there is only one flag, and others use Looks OK, Share feedback or need author edit
    – Elikill58
    Dec 5, 2021 at 16:33
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    Audits are chosen automatically. With that score etc. the system considered the question good and chose it as a known good audit. There were suggestions to change the audit selection, eg. let moderators choose them. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:34
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    As is probably obvious though, the score of a question like this is often more indicative of how often the problem is encountered...
    – user17242583
    Dec 5, 2021 at 16:36
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    And because you should upvote posts you found useful, a high score indicates a useful contribution to our library of programming knowledge. Dec 5, 2021 at 16:38
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    @user17242583: Yes, I believe the high score means, "I had this question too" or "Thanks for the help there!" instead of "Nicely asked question!" Dec 5, 2021 at 16:38
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    Of course @Jeanne, I don't mean to say that it isn't valueable knowledge inherently, but the question, when taken alone, without upvotes or answers, is not very good. If it were a new question, I would downvote it right away. But the answer is excellent, which is why I +1'd it.
    – user17242583
    Dec 5, 2021 at 16:42
  • @gnat: That question is similar to mine in the way that it also mentions a question that is only a "good question" because of upvotes. That question about recovering data is a more extreme example of not following site guidelines. Good review questions should be verified by trusted community members if not picked by them. Dec 5, 2021 at 17:12
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    @cigien: I'm not trying to close it, just give it some feedback to add detail or research. I don't want to mark it duplicate or close it for no research. I just think that it doesn't have research and therefore isn't a good audit question. Dec 5, 2021 at 17:57
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    Oh, I see. You're asking why simply sharing feedback should cause an audit to be failed. In that case, you're looking for something like this instead. There are some other similar posts on MSO about failing audits by just sharing feedback. Maybe a gold tag badge hammer can adjust the duplicate target accordingly.
    – cigien
    Dec 5, 2021 at 18:00
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    @cigien: I'm saying that questions should be verified as good audit questions before they get pushed into the audit queue. What you're mentioning is something that is a slightly different topic, but it's not my main point. Thank you for trying to understand though. Dec 5, 2021 at 18:06
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    manual audit validation or a softer form of an option to challenge an audit were already proposed before
    – gnat
    Dec 5, 2021 at 18:37

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I'm writing this answer based on the duplicate suggestion, comments, and votes. I think that the Docker Alpine question, when comparing to the good question guidelines, is not a good question because of missing research and lack of effort from the poster's side. The reason it has so many upvotes is because of its usefulness - many users have the same problem, and they just need an answer, not what other resources were found, but it didn't work.

This question was chosen for audit because it has a lot of upvotes, not because it necessarily was a good question. My opinion is that the audit questions should be picked by the system, but verified by moderators. The audit question selecting system isn't perfect when it picks and it will pick questions that aren't good (like the one mentioned in the duplicate suggestion).

Besides that, the docker alpine question isn't a bad question. It's just tricky to get right when the system picks it although it is missing something.

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    Do you really feel the question would be improved if the OP had added all the research effort they had done to solve the problem? I'm not asking what the guidelines say, I'm just curious what it is you look for in questions. You mention in this answer that "many users have the same problem, and they just need an answer, not a full research report.". That's exactly how I use SO myself: I have a problem, and I want an answer. I definitely don't want to see a full research report. In fact, if it doesn't directly clarify the question, it's just commentary, and I would edit that out.
    – cigien
    Dec 5, 2021 at 18:05
  • @cigien: Not necessarily EVERYTHING they researched. A message saying, "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers" or "There's this question, but none of the answers work in my situation" or even "There were no good answers when I searched for them" would work. The author of the question just dropped their problem and asked someone to solve it. This is a little off topic for what I'm talking about, by the way. Dec 5, 2021 at 18:10
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    Linking to related questions is fine, though it's usually only necessary if the linked question would appear to be a duplicate at first glance. However, your other examples of "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers", and "There were no good answers when I searched for them" are completely useless statements (they're just commentary), and I absolutely would edit them out of a question. I really hope you're not leaving comments asking OPs to add useless information like that to questions.
    – cigien
    Dec 5, 2021 at 18:17
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    @cigien: I certainly wouldn't ask the OP to say "i found nothing online", but I would encourage searching online and including what you found, not just directly ask them to say they didn't see anything there. I hope you're understanding my point here, but if you still don't, I don't want to pressure an argument about what to add or leave out. Thank you for trying to understand and helping me understand. Dec 5, 2021 at 18:26
  • Personnally I think the system should take upvoted question, and then put them as basic question for some reviewer to check if this should be used for audit. And according to reviewer of this "possible audit", choose if use it or not (to don't disturb mod)
    – Elikill58
    Dec 5, 2021 at 19:03
  • @Elikill58 well, knowing that many users hate audits, they will robo-review them to not be included as audits...
    – Andrew T.
    Dec 5, 2021 at 19:44
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    "A message saying, "I looked around SO and the internet but couldn't find any answers" or "There's this question, but none of the answers work in my situation" or even "There were no good answers when I searched for them"" that's not actual research effort, though. Saying that you found nothing without saying what it is you found should not be in the question to begin with because it doesn't mean anything.
    – VLAZ
    Dec 5, 2021 at 21:55

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