What's not working well and why:
- New users very, very, very seldom understand the difference between a good, clear, unique, on-topic question and a question that should be closed. In fact, we have high frequency volunteers with hundreds of thousands of rep who habitually answer questions that should be closed.
- New users are compelled to answer "quickly" because they fear that other volunteers will provide the same advice faster. Couple this with the fact that new contributors are inexperienced with the formatting tools in the post editor and how to answer, then you can understand why many of these posts are some of the lowest quality contributions site-wide. Competing for speed is not conducive to building an awesome repository of knowledge. A FGITW culture actually damages the ultimate goal.
- Users with less than 15 reputation simply do not have the ability to flag the closure of a question that should be closed. So of course they are blissfully unaware of the importance of curating good content! I mean, users don't even get to see when there are close votes on a question until they reach 250 rep, so I find myself commenting things like Off-topic: Typo to try to ward off not-yet-posted answers while additional close votes are garnered. And finally, users don't unlock the close vote privilege until they reach 3000 rep points!
Proposal: Impose answer blocking on inexperienced answerers and answerers with a glaring track record of answering questions that should be closed instead.
The details:
- Answer blocking only ever involves the freshest posted questions -- posted within the last 4 hours. Blocking never prohibits users from answering all questions on the site.
- If a user has fewer than 5 posted answers, they are deemed too inexperienced to be trusted to differentiate between good and bad questions.
- If 60% or more of a user's most recent answers have been on closed questions, the block is imposed and a warning box will be presented which explains the block and lists the closed pages.
- There are three ranges of "recent answers" being checked. The most recent 5, 10 and 20 answers. This should be sufficient in targeting users with indubitably unwanted contributions.
I'll cherry-pick some content from the new user privilege page which shares the exact purpose of this proposal:
[...]we must take some precautions to ensure that the [...] user doesn't ruin the experience for everyone else.
What I am proposing is the second evolution of this meta question which has many up and down votes and a plethora of comments that clearly didn't understand the mechanics of how the proposal is designed to work.
This proposal is designed to:
- give inexperienced contributors (users with fewer than 5 answers) time to post well-crafted answers to good, vetted questions
- allow new users the ability to remove this restriction through good posting behaviors even without earning a single upvote or green tick
- uncouple privileges from rep -- which has proven to be a somewhat unreliable metric
- reduce the likelihood of low-quality answers gaining upvotes (when the contributor is deemed untrusted and the block is imposed) -- this will allow curators to better manage/curate unhelpful content on old questions and help the Roomba to have an easier time of automatically cleaning up new unwanted questions.
- groom the community to pause and consider the appropriateness of a question before they spray an answer on the page
- equally impact all users from 1 rep to >1,000,000 rep and is completely ignorant of quality/volume of their posted questions
- be effective yet fair on contributors -- even contributors that post tens of answers in a short period of time and the page closures don't come until later
- signal contributors that they might potentially:
- recalibrate their view of what a good/on-topic question is or
- put more effort into finding duplicates before answering or
- delete an answer to a closed question (a path to removing the block) or
- vote to reopen a question that was inappropriately closed (a path to removing the block) or
- edit an unclear question to make it clear/on-topic (a path to removing the block)
- influence answerers to care about questions that they answer, by editing it into the the best possible shape before they move on so that it doesn't risk being closed
- spare me from asking answerers to close bad questions instead of answering them -- the system will spell this out where truly necessary
One of the concerns from the earlier linked meta page asked if this proposal would simply shift the rubbish from new pages to old pages and make curation harder to do. To this I say no. This proposal will get answerers to start digging through historic content and fill knowledge gaps. If a necropost is not unique or valuable, then it will not generate any upvotes from the Upvote Pixies (users who sprinkle upvotes on the freshest of new questions) and this will make it much easier for human curators to downvote and delete the unwanted content.
If you have already lit up your torch and grabbed your pitchfork, stop and consider how often this block will actually be imposed. After a user has 5 or more posted answers, it should be very hard to trigger this block if they are doing the right thing. I am personally curious if a SEDE query can be crafted which shows a snapshot of how many users would be blocked by the described rules. I also wonder if certain language tags are more likely than others to trigger an answer block because of rampant bad answering and/or a collection of SMEs that do a lot of closing. This proposal is intentionally revolutionary and some people might find it a little risky/scary. I would be very happy to see it given a chance for a month or so and see how the community is impacted.
I've made a toy for you to play with!
(see collapsed snippet for demo)
I have created a basic JavaScript demonstration to show the effects of posting answers, then as questions are closed or as answers are deleted, an account's percentage of answers on open/closed questions can be recalculated.
Click the + button five or more times to simulate "posted answers". Change the radio buttons to simulate the open/closed status of the question answered. Click the - button to demonstrate how the deletion of a question/answer can potentially impose/remove the answer block. I recommend using the StackSnippet in full screen mode. Screenshot of a user being blocked because of too many answers on closed pages.
Demonstration:
$(document).on('click', '.add', function() {
let mostRecentAnswer = $('#summary').prev(),
id = !mostRecentAnswer.length ? 1 : 1 + mostRecentAnswer.data('id');
$('#summary').before(
'<tr data-id=' + id + '>'
+ '<td><input type="button" class="del" value="-"></td>'
+ '<td>'
+ '<label for="open' + id + '"><input type="radio" id="open' + id + '" name="status' + id + '" checked> Open</label>'
+ '<label for="closed' + id + '"><input type="radio" id="closed' + id + '" name="status' + id + '"> Closed</label>'
+ '</td>'
+ '<td class="newest5 hide"></td>'
+ '<td class="newest10 hide"></td>'
+ '<td class="newest20 hide"></td>'
+ '</tr>'
);
handleNewest();
});
$(document).on('click', '.del', function() {
$(this).closest('tr').remove();
handleNewest();
});
$(document).on('change', '[type="radio"]', function() {
handleNewest();
});
function handleNewest() {
let totalAnswers = $('#demo tr[data-id]').length;
if (totalAnswers < 5) {
$('#outcome').html('<b class="red">Please post carefully constructed and educational answers to questions which are at least 4 hours old -- it is presumed that this community has had ample to time to vet these new questions as clear, complete, unique and on-topic.</b>');
return;
}
$('#outcome').html('More than 40% of your recent answers have been on open questions which the community has deemed to be a good fit for our repository of knowledge.');
[5, 10, 20].forEach(function(group) {
$('td[class^="newest' + group + '"]').addClass('hide').removeClass('groupStart groupEnd');
if (totalAnswers >= group) {
let lastCount = group - 1,
sumOpen = 0,
row = $('#summary').prev(),
groupCell;
for (let i = 0; i < group; ++i) {
sumOpen += $('td label input[id^="open"]:checked', row).length;
groupCell = $('td[class^="newest' + group + '"]', row);
groupCell.removeClass('hide');
if (!i) {
groupCell.addClass('groupEnd');
} else if (i === lastCount) {
groupCell.addClass('groupStart');
}
row = row.prev();
}
let percent = Math.round(sumOpen / group * 100);
$('#newest' + group + 'Total').html(percent).toggleClass('red', percent <= 40);
$('td[class^="newest' + group + '"]:not(.hide)').toggleClass('redBG', percent <= 40);
if (percent <= 40) {
$('#outcome').html('<b class="red">' + (100 - percent) + '% of your last ' + group + ' answers have been on closed pages. Please take more care to only post answers to clear, complete, unique, on-topic questions.</b>');
}
}
});
}
#demo { border-spacing: 0; }
.newest5:not(.hide), .newest10:not(.hide), .newest20:not(.hide) { border-right: 1px solid black; min-width: 30px; }
.groupStart { border-top-right-radius: 30px; }
.groupEnd { border-bottom-right-radius: 30px; }
#summaryLabel { text-align: right; }
#[id$="Total"]:after { content: '%'; }
.red { color: red; }
.newest5.redBG:not(.hide), .newest10.redBG:not(.hide), .newest20.redBG:not(.hide) { background-color: red; }
<script src="https://cdnjs.cloudflare.com/ajax/libs/jquery/3.3.1/jquery.min.js"></script>
<table id="demo">
<tr id="summary">
<td><input type="button" class="add" value="+"></td>
<td id="summaryLabel">Open Percent:</td>
<td id="newest5Total"></td>
<td id="newest10Total"></td>
<td id="newest20Total"></td>
</tr>
</table>
<h2 id="outcome"></h2>
Self-answers should be excluded from this blocking mechanism. Self-answered questions are not typically rushed or low-quality. In my experience, these usually meaningful contributions and are not worth blocking by default. It would be counter-productive to prevent users from instantly self-answering if they have something important to share.