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I filled out the satisfaction survey, but my answers are not going to be particularly useful, because the problems I have with Stack Overflow are mostly things that are not under the site's control. So, I'm going to explain myself and hope someone who cares sees this.

I've been answering technical questions online for 35 or 40 years, first on Usenet newsgroups, then on CompuServe, then on Microsoft's mailing lists and forums. I'm a respected authority on Windows drivers. I was a Microsoft "Most Valued Professional" (MVP) for 23 consecutive years, until they decided the MVPs needed to be an unpaid marketing intern staff instead of a reward for helping out. I've been answering questions here for about five months and I enjoy it.

The only complaint I have about the site is that I can't format code in comments. That's an extremely minor issue, and I've started using GitHub gists when I need a snippet longer than a few lines, but it is inconvenient.

The bigger issue I have is with the quality of the questions, and there's little anyone here can do about that. A large fraction of the questions are students who just post homework questions verbatim, without offering any of their own work, and often without even adding an introduction. Can it possibly be the case that personal ethics is just not a concern for most of the world? I find that very discouraging.

Another large fraction of the questions are people trying to build websites by scraping information from other websites, trying to work around barriers that were placed specifically to prevent people from stealing copyrighted information. I find the mention of "anti-captcha" sites to be very distasteful, and although I've answered many Selenium questions, I'm always going to point out why it is not entirely ethical.

Overall, I've felt welcome and appreciated in my few months on Stack Overflow, and although the points don't matter (like on Whose Line), they're nice to have.

I suppose this is actually a poor post for Meta, since I haven't really asked a question. It's not really a place for op-eds. Close it, if that's best for the community.

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    you should consider yourself lucky to have both received the survey and being allowed to complete it
    – Kevin B
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:14
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    While you don't seem to invite much discussion immediately from the post, the fact you use it to express disappointment about poor quality of posts instead of extreme moderation pleases me greatly. Jun 21, 2021 at 18:15
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    You can leverrage your reviews maybe? If we close the many low quality questions new users might not feel endorsed to post their zero-effort dump.
    – rene
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:22
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    As far as I can tell, this question doesn't appear to be seeking any input or discussion from the community. It's basically just a rant, which you're aware of, given the tag you've added. It's a well written rant, and given your stance, you're going to get a lot of agreement, and sympathy (and upvotes) from the Meta regulars. Nonetheless, this seems to be off-topic to me, so I'm going to vote to close it as such. Please feel free to edit it in a way that actually invites discussion.
    – cigien
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:38
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    Well @cigien re-introducing the rant tag is maybe suboptimal but please enlighten me a bit what the problem is? Is it the ethical aspect that focusses on users instead of content?
    – rene
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:46
  • @rene Well, like I said, I'm not sure what the question is here. It seems to be an opinion piece, which is off-topic on Meta right? There is a question "Can it possibly be the case that personal ethics is just not a concern for most of the world?", but I don't really see how that's something useful to discuss here. I could be wrong of course; maybe this post is fine because we all sort of agree with the opinion?
    – cigien
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:50
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    I can't disagree with the criticism. If it gets closed, I'm not going to pout. Jun 21, 2021 at 18:52
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    The ethics tag might have useful guidance on how to deal / what our position is wrt the scraping questions.
    – rene
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:54
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    problem is: You and I now have read these posts. Now we need those new users to do the same and proceed from there on the right direction.
    – rene
    Jun 21, 2021 at 18:57
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    In regards to your smaller complaint about code in comments, I would argue that if takes more than a few line of code, it is probably better to have as an answer than a comment. For one or two lines, the code_backticks seem to do a sufficient job.
    – Tyberius
    Jun 21, 2021 at 19:26
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    You could ask a question (such as, "How can I find more interesting questions to answer? I am being drowned out by unpaid (and paid) do-homework dumps."). Or a make feature request (such as, "Can we pretty please raise the barrier to entry by adding a vetting stage before blasting out questions onto the public Internet?" or "Implement features that bring back the FAQ writing culture of Usenet. (And change the gamification to not encourage answering hyper super mega duplicate questions.)"*). Jun 21, 2021 at 19:31
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    @rene: The FAQ writing part is weak. There are some attempts in some tag wikis, but it is lacking, e.g. in visibility. There is also the technical limitations of too little space (to contain a sufficiently high number of (real) FAQs to be effective). Jun 21, 2021 at 19:35
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    Yea, i mean, what's the harm in just calling this place a help desk, it is what it is
    – Kevin B
    Jun 21, 2021 at 19:52
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    I was writing this as an answer when the question got closed... If a comment needs more than one or two lines of code, it is probably better presented as an answer. An answer has the advantage that it can be edited for more than five minutes after it is submitted. Also, for code which takes meaning from indentation, such as Python, the formatting available in an answer compared to a comment is pretty much essesntial. Jun 21, 2021 at 19:53
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    I disagree with The bigger issue I have is with the quality of the questions, and there's little anyone here can do about that. It would well be within the site's control to increase the barrier to entry, which could likely cut the (very sizeable) proportion of horrendous or off-topic questions a number of percentage points. meta.stackexchange.com/a/285903 But fewer questions means fewer eyes on ads, which SE Inc would not want. Jun 21, 2021 at 19:56

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